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    Posted: 04 Feb 2024 at 9:50pm
anyone have a lead on a split rim expander retractor tool? specifically for tire sizes for antique cars, Model A's etc
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/176139529850?




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there seems to be a few things on e-bay that might work... Personally , i dont have a clue how they work...



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wow, I can't believe every 'A' owner had one of them in the trunk when they went on 'roadtrips' ?
hmm, it wasn't needed  to fix flats was it ?
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Actually most used Simple Irons for Split Rims.  Dad had recalled Grampa and GrGrampa fixing OFTEN flats going to Home Farm.  Two irons and self vulcanizing patch kits.
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I remember using the self-vulcanizing clamp for the patch... it was a diamond shaped patch. the patch was on the 'bottom' side of the tin form that held the chemical that burned which heated the rubber of the patch to make the seal... there was a clamp that was used to press the whole thing to the inner tube.
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Dad showed me to set fire to the first application of 'Vulcanizer' glue then apply second coat then apply the patch.  His lesson from the 1930s remembered.

Were a deal of several different designs in The Day, Retainer Ring, Split Clamp ring, Two Piece Wheels and several styles of those that separated at rough centerline.  IIRC Saw one on a Model AA Truck, rim split at centerline, both halves had a Shallow 'Sweet Spot' would need to align then press one side down the other pull up and would slip apart, same to go back on then twist halves so sweet spot NOT aligned for actual use.  Just Spooky to think put air in those and then put back on truck.


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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

there seems to be a few things on e-bay that might work... Personally , i dont have a clue how they work...



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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

there seems to be a few things on e-bay that might work... Personally , i dont have a clue how they work...



 Thanks Steve, 
I'll post a pic of the car, 1923 Buick 23-35 when I get a chance

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Are conventional rims available? The little bit I've worked on split rims I just used large screwdrivers and prybar for the lock rim. Just remember to be careful when airing them up, I've heard some horror stories.
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Lou,. They are available from most farm and home stores, etc. You might look up Meyers Tire Supply or someone similar, Gray Products,etc.qq In the 22 years I was in the tire business, I have torn down dozens of split rims. Bee very careful. I never had 1 of them explode but 1 of my friends, another tire dealer was killed by 1.
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Lou.  The split rims for antique cars come in many varieties, depending on the rim manufacturer. Some are the same style as a truck rim with an outer ring and a lock ring. Others are split across the rim and take a special tool to lever one part of the rim over the other to contract it so it can be removed from the tire. 
I mess around with some antique cars and sometimes have to make a tool if none can be found.  I hope I don't have to do the ones on the car that just came into the shop today!!

Here is a picture or two.  A 1918 Mclaughlin Buick.
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This is the tire tool Dad coveted, I never understood why until I started changing tires on the 35.  The curve and round piece are just right to break down the rings.  Mine are not split but solid, so you have to find the deeper area to hold down at and put another iron in the opposite side to pop it off.
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Originally posted by Alberta Phil Alberta Phil wrote:

Lou.  The split rims for antique cars come in many varieties, depending on the rim manufacturer. Some are the same style as a truck rim with an outer ring and a lock ring. Others are split across the rim and take a special tool to lever one part of the rim over the other to contract it so it can be removed from the tire. 
I mess around with some antique cars and sometimes have to make a tool if none can be found.  I hope I don't have to do the ones on the car that just came into the shop today!!

Here is a picture or two.  A 1918 Mclaughlin Buick.
Phil, You are correct, two different types of split rim, I just learned that in the last few weeks. I was aware of the type on trucks, (had a school mate in highschool that died as the result of one exploding, in his dads tire shop), but never knew about these crosswise split rims on early cars. I am now the proud owner of a 1923 23-35 Buick and a 1931 8-67 Buick so i thought it wise to get one of these retractor tools. Supposedly one can change a tire w/o one, but it looked real difficult to me.
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Originally posted by JW in MO JW in MO wrote:

This is the tire tool Dad coveted, I never understood why until I started changing tires on the 35.  The curve and round piece are just right to break down the rings.  Mine are not split but solid, so you have to find the deeper area to hold down at and put another iron in the opposite side to pop it off.
JW, my days of wrestling those big tires are over! LOL Last tire I changed was on the WD, couple of years ago, and I swore never again! it was an all day battle, I have several tire irons, including one such as you show here.
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Originally posted by 200Tom1 200Tom1 wrote:

Lou,. They are available from most farm and home stores, etc. You might look up Meyers Tire Supply or someone similar, Gray Products,etc.qq In the 22 years I was in the tire business, I have torn down dozens of split rims. Bee very careful. I never had 1 of them explode but 1 of my friends, another tire dealer was killed by 1.
Thanks Tom, I bought the one Steve posted above
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We need some pictures, Lou!!
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Originally posted by Alberta Phil Alberta Phil wrote:

We need some pictures, Lou!!
I gotta figure out how to post them on here from my phone


Edited by LouSWPA - 11 Feb 2024 at 8:01pm
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Let me know when you do, cause I haven’t figured it out yet myself.
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hay, I got one of those bars JW shows about 6 posts up ! Guess I better not toss into a scrap bin (which is where I got it 5 years ago....) ???
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I saw those "claw" type tools, in various lengths when I was at Fleet Farm just the other day.  Pricey, but made in USA... Last time I used one was in about 1976.
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