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Alice Chalmers D grader front end swap
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    Posted: 15 Jul 2023 at 7:55pm
The next major issue that my grader has after the hydraulic ram problems is the front wheels.  The bearings appear to be flogged out to the point that the wheels flop about of their own accord.  The front axle isn't set up for wheel lean, the bearing/axles must just be toast I think.

I have located a front end with wheel lean function and I am considering doing a swap of it.  Replace the existing front end with the new front end (my grader has the hydraulic piping in place so it shouldn't be too difficult to get that working.

My question is: how hard is it to pull the front end of these machines?  Obviously I'd have to block the front end up etc, but once that's done does anyone know if there are potential problems?
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I have never done the grader, but it appears to be made very similar to most farm tractors.. As you said, the front wheels must be off the ground, then pull the PIN in the CENTER of the axle that connects to the tractor frame... Might be rusted in place or some damage / wear to the pin.. Might need some repair in that area.

The photo shows the END OF THE AXLE at the tire. The king pin holding the steering knuckle to the axle appears very SHORT.. That would mean  that some WEAR in the BUSHING would contribute to a lot of TIRE LEAN... YOu could have wheel bearing damage also, but i would guess the BUSHING in the end of the AXLE is worn out.

Power down on the blade and lift the tires up an inch off the ground.. Grab the tire and push IN and OUT toward the tractor frame.. I would bet you see a LOT OF MOVEMENT in the PIN / BUSHING area at the pivot point of the axle.
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also possible that there is some BEND in the end of the axle..
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Hi Steve, thanks for the reply. Yes I think a combination of wear of the kingpin and bushings and wheel bearings is likely.  This is why I'm considering just chucking it all away and starting again with a different front end entirely.  I think this one is just too flogged out.

That sounds like a good suggestion checking for wear in the axle pivot point.  If the bushing there is gone then it will need to be replaced for the new front end to work.

As for lifting the front end with the blade - I'll have to get the drifting ram fixed before I can do that!  In the mean time I can probably lift it with the skid steer.
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Re: bend in axle - anything is possible with this grader!
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AC Forty Five has a tapered roller at the top and a needle at the bottom,

If yours is like this I'd guess that a busted roller bearing would allow plenty of flap.

My 2 cents worth, as I have only ever driven past a DD.
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Sounds entirely possible Ian! Just one more reason why I'm leaning towards a complete swap of the front end.
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You'll like a leaning front end.  Best use is when some asshat passes you real close, when you are grading, you can lean them fronts over, and rip alla that cheap plastic trim offa the side of their car...LOL
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Missing the tilt cylinder. The hydraulic lines are still there though.
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Yes, having the hydraulic lines is a big bonus - but I think that this is a non-leaning front end that was swapped in.  I've looked over photos of leaning front ends and they are built quite differently.  That reminds me, I will have to talk to the supplier today about that front end and see what it's going to cost me...
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Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

You'll like a leaning front end.  Best use is when some asshat passes you real close, when you are grading, you can lean them fronts over, and rip alla that cheap plastic trim offa the side of their car...LOL


Lol - I can just imagine! I won't be doing on-road work though so I'll have to stick to frightening the kangaroos and wallabies!
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Update: quote from a wrecker for a tilting front end: approximately $6,000. With rebuilt bearings/pins/bushings: approximately $8,000.

Not really worth it for what the machine is, so I'm going to investigate rebuilding what I have.  Wheel tilt would be nice, but if I'm going to spend real money then I'd rather do it on my Cat 212.

Edit: if anyone has a line on a compatible front end in Australia that I could purchase then please let me know. I'd really appreciate it.


Edited by LangdonStevenson - 06 Aug 2023 at 2:10am
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