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Posted: 09 Aug 2017 at 12:34pm |
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Has anyone ever seen or come across a Allis Chalmers Model 75 Cable Control Unit ( winch) /
I'm told it was a two drum winch. Is it very rare or impossible to find altogether?
Couldn't find anything on the forum search.
Thank you.
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CAL(KS)
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Posted: 09 Aug 2017 at 1:34pm |
my Hd16 has a model 75 winch. looks like this but the cover is gone. probably wont find one that isnt on a crawler somewhere.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2017 at 3:14pm |
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How the heck did you find that so fast?? I used every description and could only come up with some Carco units. Thank you.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2017 at 3:16pm |
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Were they considered a solid unit with good pulling power?
If I find a cost I can live with I was looking at a cargo G80 unit.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2017 at 3:40pm |
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that picture is from a salvage yard i have bought parts from and i knew exactly where to look. I couldnt say how they were thought of. mine is still working and has quite a bit of wear but i am much younger than the dozer and wasnt around during the hayday
Edited by CAL(KS) - 09 Aug 2017 at 3:51pm
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Posted: 09 Aug 2017 at 3:50pm |
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Looks like General Gear's yard!
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Posted: 09 Aug 2017 at 3:51pm |
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Posted: 09 Aug 2017 at 3:51pm |
I know nothing about winches but spend time on antique cat sites. I am assuming so you know what it is worth.
That winch was designed for controlling a scraper or dozer blade,not made for dragging things around.So will not have near the pull of the winches used for logging and such. So if similar to winches used on Cats will not stand up to pulling things regular.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 2:49am |
you are comparing 2 completely different things. Allis Chalmers model 75 is a rear double drum cable control unit; designed for operating towed scrapers, or a front blade Carco G80 is a logging winch designed for logging and heavy duty winching jobs.
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tits tyres and tracks
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Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 9:15am |
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Thank you very much. You are correct. I am looking for a pulling or towing winch. I have heard good things about the Carco units.
thank you for the thoughts. Great forum and looking forward to being able to contribute at some point and not just pulling information.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 9:16am |
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Thank you Ray54
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Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 9:16am |
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Thank you Cal.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 12:18pm |
Your looking for something like these...  This one is for a TD18 IH. might have to fabricate the drive for it... and possibly the mounts. $1400 bucks...   http://www.ebay.com/itm/TD18-INTERNATIONAL-HARVESTER-IH-TD-18-CARCO-WINCH-SHAFT-CONTROLS-MODEL-G-/291787517704 another ad says " This one is a might spendy, 7500 bucks
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Carco-Winch-Model-G-80-PS-for-Tractors-TD20-D7F-D7G-HD16-Used-/262268301286?hash=item3d1068afe6:g:cBgAAOSw5dNWrVBW
The winches are out there, but anything construction is spendy... Here was a 7 with a Hyster D7N winch... very stout. 
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Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 1:03pm |
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Thank you JC(wi)
You are right. I like the Carco G80 and or the G4. Not sure the difference between the two but either one will be a spend. Im not much of a fabricator so other than bolting on and doing routine oil change, pins, bushings and such, I would have to reach out to get an adapter plate set up.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 1:29pm |
General Gear has allis machines for salvage. should be some of those winches available that wouldnt require modifications. but its located in idaho. thats where the model 75 pic is from.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 2:03pm |
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Great and thank you for the lead.
If i can get the 16 delivered, I am clearing out 30 acres of fence rows and a winch would come in handy.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 8:05pm |
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THESE TRACTORS AND WINCHES ARE OLD. THE DEMAND IS LOW. I BELIEVE YOU CAN BYE A CARGO 80 WINCH FOR AROUND 800 DOLLARS OR MABY LESS IF YOU LOOK AROUND AND ARE NOT IN A HURRY. THE 16 IS A GOOD TRACTOR AND THE CARGO 80 IS AGOOD WINCH. GOOD LUCK.
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Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 1:09am |
make sure you get a winch with a pto shaft that came off a HD16 Winch stud patterns and pto shafts are different with each tractor manufacturer. You only need a sliding gear winch not a powershift one for a HD16DC because you interrupt the PTO shaft with the master clutch. G4 and G80SG are sliding gear. G80PS is powershift; if you get one of those make sure you get the winch pump with it. Needs this to operate
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Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 2:34pm |
 R.KYLE wrote:
THESE TRACTORS AND WINCHES ARE OLD. THE DEMAND IS LOW. I BELIEVE YOU CAN BYE A CARGO 80 WINCH FOR AROUND 800 DOLLARS OR MABY LESS IF YOU LOOK AROUND AND ARE NOT IN A HURRY. THE 16 IS A GOOD TRACTOR AND THE CARGO 80 IS AGOOD WINCH. GOOD LUCK. |
Thank you R.KYLE. Good advise.
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Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 2:36pm |
HD6 Merv wrote:
make sure you get a winch with a pto shaft that came off a HD16Winch stud patterns and pto shafts are different with each tractor manufacturer. You only need a sliding gear winch not a powershift one for a HD16DC because you interrupt the PTO shaft with the master clutch. G4 and G80SG are sliding gear. G80PS is powershift; if you get one of those make sure you get the winch pump with it. Needs this to operate |
I did not know that Merv. I will reach out when I see what I can find and how much my wallet will afford me. Curious if there is a preferred model of Carco winch for a HD16DC as an example. I have heard G4, G80, G80ps. Not sure which one I should focus on when doing my searches.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2017 at 10:30am |
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Might try Thill Track and Tractor in Eau Clare WI - they had a lot of parts set aside in sheds
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Posted: 01 Sep 2017 at 10:32am |
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Thank you. I am adding them to my growing list of possible sources of parts and suppliers. Much appreciated.
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