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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 1092 |
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I got on A and I parts and search that number
(SK156) and they have an overhaul kit for $918 or $131 for the sleeve, piston, and rings per cylinder. And it says it’s a high compression kit and 4.125” overbore. |
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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 1092 |
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Would anyone know of a ring kit for the sp-48 m and w piston?
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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5049 |
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They are available from some of the aftermarket companies.
If I remember correctly, I got a set from Perfect Circle several years ago. You need to measure the size of the rings. All M&W pistons (for the 201/226) are 4.125" (oversize).
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evan austin ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 2021 Location: Gaston Indiana Points: 25 |
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Steiner lists a piston and sleeve kit P/N ACS3056, 4 1/8" bore, they claim 7.25:1 compression, for $439.99 plus shipping. This is the first time that I have seen the compression ratio listed on one of their kits, maybe it was always there and I didn't notice it before...
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 1092 |
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Think I’m going good used on the two sleeves due to it being decently low houred and the two good sleeves are very good.
Will put rings and O rings on all the sleeves to prevent problems. Think I will rebuild the head because of a lot of pits in the valves. |
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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 1092 |
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Got the oil pan off today and figured out why it was parked, it had spun a rod bearing…
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scott ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: michigan Points: 2749 |
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Is the spun rod bearing on one of the good cylinders?
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 1092 |
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Yes, it was number 4.
1 and 4 has good sleeves but 2 and 3 sleeves are junk. Got all the pistons and sleeves out and the pistons look all good. Even the rings don’t look too bad. |
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 1092 |
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Found Abilene machine has the overhaul kit for $500 and that comes with everything including shipping.
Only thing is that it’s the original 7.25:1 compression ratio. But it is 4.125 overbore. Also found a guy who might be able to fix my crank shaft quite a bit cheaper. Question: how would I test the oil pump before I put it together? I want to be sure that it has good oil pressure before I put it together to be safe. |
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5049 |
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The doctor can correct me, but I believe only the (gas) 175 had the 8.25/1 compression ratio pistons (maybe some propane engines, too) and they are very hard (almost impossible) to find.
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 1092 |
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Here’s a link to an A and I high compression kit..
https://www.allpartsstore.com/ItemDetl.htm?ResultsList=251016376624998&CategorySeq=&SelcBrand=&SelcMachn=&SelcModel=&SelcSectn=&SelcSubsc=&SearchDesc=1&TextSearch=ALLIS%20CHALMERS%20D17%20OVERHAUL%20KIT&ItemNumber=IK405 It’s $918 bucks but according to Doc it’s 10:1 compression. I wasn’t wanting to spend that much on it though. Would be curious if anyone on here has done that kit and dynoed it? |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 22083 |
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175 gas engine is 4 inch bore @ 8.25 to 1 compression. D-17 LPgas is also 8.25 to 1 with 4 inch bore.
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HudCo ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3941 |
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no cumbustion chamber with flat tops
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 1092 |
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Found a 8.25:1 kit but I’m NOT going to give $2400.
So I guess it’s going to go to stock. https://www.jensales.com/products/ep-915144-allis-buda-out-of-frame-overhaul-kit-allis-chalmers-g226.html |
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wjohn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 2256 |
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I think I'd go with the lower CR kit at that price too!
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1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 3035 |
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Dumb question probably, but what is the reason for overbore? Why can't you just replace the liners and put new rings on the pistons? Thanks
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5049 |
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You can just replace rings. Sleeves should be honed before doing that.
M&W made pistons that were supposed to add power. The were introduced more for the WD45 that had the lower compression ratio. In addition to higher compression than stock, going from 4" bore to 4.125" added 14 more cubic inches to the engine. I suspect that other manufacturers followed M&W for more cubic inches. Other than through AC (AGCO now), I don't remember any aftermarket rebuild kit that was not the 4.125". Sleeves are usually replaced when rebuilding for a number of reasons. These engines usually have lots of hours of run time, when they are rebuilt. Like engines that have dry (pressed in) sleeves or have no sleeves, there is usually some damage and/or wear to the bore. Sleeveless engines have to be bored by a machinist to get a perfect bore. Wet sleeves (like most AC or Buda engines) are relatively easy to replace, so rebuilding is easier (and usually less expensive) than a dry sleeved or an engine without sleeves. In addition, wet sleeves have O rings on the outside to seal them, and the O rings deteriorate over time, so the sleeves have to be removed to replace the O rings. The wet sleeves also corrode over time and it's not unusual to have an old engine that develops pin holes in a sleeve. New sleeves on rebuilding usually eliminates the possibility of leaks.
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 1092 |
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Would it be safe to sandblast the block?
Was thinking about the different panels not matching so eventually I will paint the rest of the tractor. If I could go ahead and sandblast, prime , and paint the block while it’s all apart it would be one less thing to pull apart later. Plus a brand new engine needs brand new paint. |
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5049 |
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Personally, I would never sandblast an engine, especially one that is tore down. I doubt you could ever get all the sand out it.
I would rather pay someone to "hot tank" it. It will also do a better job cleaning the inside of the engine block.
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