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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mlpankey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2012 at 7:58am

the hei $24 module with some electrical wiring wizzardry can be made to trigger from points for the small cap fans . basically the 4 pin hei is the same as the ignitor 3 that petronix advertises being a v8 only option .The reason for the v8 only advertizing according to petronix is the rev limiter,

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sold my hei last night . Thanks guys . Will be making more if interested
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rogers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2012 at 7:11pm
I like the petronix ignitor. I put on an a (hold your ears) 8N Ford. It was hard to start before, but now it starts like a champ. I remember my dad fusing about the electronic ignition telling me to go get some points when I had some trouble. Installer error repaired and started smooth as silk. I asked him if he still wanted to change back to points. "No I guess not." I've been thinking about some on the other tractors. I'll probably start with the D15.
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Hi guys I flew the jet all day and cant think much right now, but this is a great discussion! Thanks! But.....what is EMP?
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electromagnetic pulse
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rogers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2012 at 10:48pm
If an EMP happens we probably wouldn't be worried about starting a tractor. Even if you had points you would need gas. If you had gas you would eventually need parts. We would probably be looking at farming with mules.
 
They claim less gas usage with electronic ignition. I know you get better firing unless everything is perfect, but how much better gas consumption could it really be? I can't say that there is any noticeable difference to me on that end.
 
The lack of mechanical parts and easy starting is what sold me. I have had several sets of points fail almost immediately. There is nothing more aggravating than running the mower or harrowing etc. and having the tractor shutdown because of points and condenser. Usually after the parts house closes to boot.
 
I don't think you have to worry about flooding as bad. I suppose it is the hotter spark. Maybe it is the effect of a rebuilt carb in my case not the petronix that made the flooding problem go away. I am not sure on that one.
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It would be more accurate to say 'fuel waste' being less with electronic, than with mechanical... and as I noted before, if everything's in tip-top shape, there'll be no noticeable difference... but being mechanical, and subject to wear and environmental degradation to which the electronic trigger and amplification system are not, the electronic will waste less wholly based on the mechanical's state-of-health.

Much of the fuel waste occurs during the 'wet' portion of startup... when liquid droplets get drawn in through a cold manifold.  A wet plug doesn't develop an arc- the liquid fuel, and moisture, and oil short it out.  When this happens, It takes a few cycles to 'blow' it clear, and if the choke is still pulled (to make other cylinders fire), then it'll keep flooding until the engine's spinning fast enough to blow it clear.

Electronic ignition floods just like mechanical, however, it's not apt to START missing on a result of improper firing.  There's no contact points to become fouled with frost or corrosion, nor does it require a condenser, so it's less likely to foul, and much quicker to fire THROUGH a foul, hence, the engine starts 'wet', and gets off the choke sooner.

Realize, that the intake path of a carbeurated engine is 'wet'... manifold vacuum is generated by airflow through the carbeurator venturi, and it's drawing fuel up through the manifold, which because of ambient conditions AND combined gas law, will remain cold until such time that some external heat source warms it.  The heat source, is the exhaust manifold junction point.  This junction conducts enough heat from the exhaust side to the intake side, to minimize intake and carb frost, as well as helps vaporize the fuel droplets so they'll burn.

So the parry, is that a misfiring engine will not generate exhaust heat, and without exhaust heat, the misfiring engine will not clear and fire.  By establishing a good fire from the outset (getting it touched off, and then off the choke), you'll get good atomization, much quicker warmup (out of the 'wet' stage), and much less fuel used.

When running HOT, you have the opposite condition-  very well atomized fuel, and when the carbeurator is in an 'economizing' state, the mixture will be pretty lean... it takes a hot spark to touch off a lean mixture... especially in a slow-turning low- to moderate compression engine.  The electronic trigger system does that... because it doesn't need 'point dwell' in order to fully saturate the ignition coil at every event.  Electronic trigger systems don't suffer 'bounce', or contact contamination.

So the fuel economy benefit is that when you put a set in an older machine that HAS seen it's fair share of fencerows, it gets back what it USED to have, but without having to babysit the gap and dwell, no need to keep the contacts clean.  If your mechanical system was spot-on-perfect, it wouldn't matter, but the maintenance to keep mechanicals that way, is substantially greater.

Nice thing about the Pertronix kit, is that it takes 5 minutes to slap it in and wire it up, and no messing around to get it working.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mlpankey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jan 2012 at 8:05am

still a 24 dollar hei module another 10 dollars at radio shack and you have the factory delco point distributor electronic with the ability to run a .5 ohm coil petronix dont do that .

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