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How much does it cost to turn a screw? |
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Spud ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601 |
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I notice in the specs for most newer tractors that weights and dimensions are all the same although horsepower varies. If you have 4 tractors in a range from say 180 to 240 hp and all have the same weights and dimensions, that leads me to believe the only difference between them is a turn of the screw on the fuel injector pump. If the higher hp ones had an intercooler and turbo and the smaller ones didn't, there would be some weight difference.
It all leads me to wonder, how much does it cost to turn that screw at the factory or do you buy the smallest and turn the screw yourself?
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cougar766 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Amo, Indiana Points: 150 |
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on the new tractors of today (or atleast some of them) theres no screw to turn its how the computor is programed
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firebrick43 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 Dec 2009 Location: Warren County Points: 592 |
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Many don't have a screw, all larger tractors sold today that I know are at least electronic injection if not common rail. You have to reprogram the computer. Be careful how ever because many use one set of injectors for say the bottom 2 hp ratings and another set for the top 2 hp ratings. The do the same for the turbos, they don't nessessarly have to weight more to push more air, they just have different shape impellors/turbine sections. Also remember, many of the brochures that you are reading are written by marketing which many times gets weight specs and such screwed up. I can tell you for sure on the Case/IH magnums there was some major differences on the magnums above 215 hp. Also remember the current tractors have DPF that can be royally screwed up by putting powerchips on (which are available) and cost 1500+. If you do add chips please at least put a EGT gauge on it to monitor it. |
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RickUP ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 803 |
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Get to know an electrical engineer from the factory. You can change alot of things with his computer program. At least with GM anyway. John Deere too.
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Roddo ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Location: Brant, Ontario Points: 466 |
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A guy that works for cat once told me that sometimes there are absolutely no changes to anything on an engine other than ECM programming. The reason one costs more is as performance goes up, reliability goes down. They have to get paid for those extra warranty claims.
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firebrick43 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 Dec 2009 Location: Warren County Points: 592 |
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Roddo, it depends of the engine. Some its true, some there can be injector/turbo/piston changes. Nice thing about Cat, if it doesn't require an "iron change" as they call it, they will bump it up for a small fee or for free if you buy a used truck from them.
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7060 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 1148 |
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We have a 8970 Ford that is factory at 210 hp. with a 456cu. engine, and a friend has a 8670 with the same 456 engine and turbo and such, but it is 145 hp. The 8670 does weigh a little less to compared to the book. They sound like completely different engines though, and they actually still had a screw on the pump.
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Calvin Schmidt ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4540 |
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Most every manufacturer will deny warranty if you get caught with a power chip. I speek from experience. |
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