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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:30pm |
Hello,
I was wondering if someone here could help me. We had a 30's era tractor, the Allis Chalmers model B that I helped my father rebuid (used). He used it for 25 years or so and sold it just before he passed away in his '80s. Darned if he still couldn't crank it over even then.
I see a lot of pictures on-line that look just like it, but I would like to find someone who might sell a model of it. Everytime I look with no luck.
Any tractor people out there who know this model and might be able to help?
Thanks for any help.
Best regards,
Bob
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:50pm |
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ONTARIOCA1951
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:53pm |
early b's had hand cranks only the 40- up untill the end of production had electric start and the crank was only used as a back up way of starting the tractor as did other tractors of the time ford 8n-9n jd m series ect... the one you had would have had a mag for an ingnition system i think some were converted over when the electric starters came out.John
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 7:41pm |
Bob, Interestingly that you should be looking for a model of my favorate Allis Chalmers unit - the B. Here is a B very similar to the one you are looking for.
Models of the B are sometimes found of e-bay. Or as suggested above at the Outback Toy Store.
Let me wish you success on your quest.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 7:42pm |
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You are correct ours had a magneto and we kept a spare. It was hand crank only.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 7:50pm |
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That's the first one I've seen. I woudl like a little more detail if I can get it. I tried Ebay also with no luck.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 7:52pm |
Bill Long,
Good Job. You have it in that picture. That's what I want a detailed model of.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 7:53pm |
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I would put a model together if I could get it.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 9:35pm |
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I'll sell you the real deal if you can come up here to PA and get it! 1940 B! New rear tires, 1 new rear rim, rebuilt mag, cleaned up carb. Good little tractor!
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 10:56pm |
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The only "scale model" of the B Allis I have seen lacks detail. Sorry to say this but, It is just a little orange toy tractor for kids to play with.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:38am |
Don't have the room for the real thing. It's amazing that our old tractor is still in use today. We repainted it probably 35 years ago during the overhaul. Still looks good. It was stored indoors when not used. We had the plow, farrows (sp), Woods belly mower and a heavy duty hydraulic log splitter that were all used a lot (I really mean a lot).
The tractor above was from the '30s and was my father's and my grandfather purchased a matching set from the '40s he used for about 10 years before he passed away. (didn't have the log splitter).
I remember Dad had them both parked side by side behind the house and was staring at them from a yard chair after his Dad passed away. Granddad's was newer, but the same model. In the end he kept his original one and the same attachments. The magneto was a big deal and I think there was a rebuilt spare for both. (this was years ago, nothing left now).
Dad was a B24 pilot in WWII and he used the precheck method to start the old tractor and counted each time. It was always stored with the fuel turned off. If you didn't have his list written down and follow his count, you just couldn't start it, but if you did, it started every time. He wrote it down and gave it to the guy he sold it to. Three times later, he had to drive out to his farm and start it for him before he believed him. He thought for a while that he might have to take it back. He would have too, without hesitation. He really just wanted it to have a good home.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 10:04am |
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robert, the started making the B in 1937. First year had an odd ball motor. In 1938 they came out with the BE motor by Allis. It as upgraded to a CE, but external looked the same. Tractor was in production till 1959 and made maybe 120,000 tractors. Two row tractors were the C in the 40s and the CA later in the 50s. They look about the same, but most were narrow front ends. Same motor, radiator, hood, etc.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 1:05pm |
I remember that ours was from the late 30's. Had the wide tire track on the front, hand crank (crank stored under steering column), hand break lever on the top of each rear tire, throttle was a lever that "clicked" below the steering column, gear shift right of column with small ball at tip, hydralic lift on rotatin bar below and behind seat (we had a steel hook made to hold up the plow when stored as the fluid would leak off after you lifted it and slowly lower again).
Since he used it for mowing also, the front tires cut up the yard with tracks. He removed the front spindles and replace them with a square plate. He took (4) bolt spindles off of an old Desoto from the salvage yard and installed standard Corvair wheels and tires on them. Didn't leave any marks then. Mowed about 4 acres of yard with it. Looked like a golf course afterwards. The Woods belly mower had swivel tip blades for the occasional rock or stump you might hit.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 4:21pm |
Robert, I have been looking for a "detailed" Model of the Allis Chalmers B tractor too. They just don't make them. Over the years I have acquired 2 models of B tractor but not detailed.
Armand DeYoung, one of our form members makes very detailed Allis Chalmers models. You may contact him at.
acmodelsofarizona.weebly.com
He makes super "detailed" models by hand. I do not know if they are for sale though.
If you find any detailed models let me know. I would love one too.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 6:03pm |
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I'll bet there are alot of guys on this site that would love to have that list on how to start the B's!!!
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 6:36pm |
Now that I think about it, you didn't mess with Dad's tractor (because you couldn't). If you really intended to do some supervised actual work, he would start it for you and provide all the gas you needed.
Now that you brought it up, in whole the time we owned it, I was never able to start it myself (although I tried hundreds of times) and he never gave me his instructions. He was never woried that one of us would do something (three boys) because none of us could start it. I can tell you from experience that if you want to get a real arobics work out, try to start a hand crank model B that refuses to do anything but sputter and kick back and toss you on the ground. It was a lot like gambling. Each time you tried you thought the next time would work until you just didn't have anything left. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
I'll ask my brother if he found the instructions in his old papers.
Bob
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:40pm |
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I kind of wonder if you're dad had made the mag easily adjustable so he could keep you kids from starting it. Just turning it a bit would made it retarded or advanced that it wouldn't want to start but would kick back.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 4:28pm |
A B with the mag not dialed in can be one of the most exhausting tractors to try to start. Especially if it is cold.
I heard Fordson can be worse, but I never had one of those.
I had a B that would just plumb tucker you out....
Some mag work and adjusting and she now starts on the second pull.
I think the first one just get's gas to the manifold.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 7:15pm |
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Hey Glenn, I been Tuckered out all my life. LOL Try hand crankin a good 226 engine a couple times. I can't imagine an A without an electric start.
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