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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Steve is spot on, the counter bore flange is to narrow on the Buda engines for shims to stay put. I have a three tractors coming to the shop for work today so I will take some shots of the block and post them tonight. |
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Mottwelding ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 May 2016 Location: Fort St.John Points: 35 |
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This thread is awesome now where can we find the parts to fix this engine? will decking and recutting the block fix this problem for good? I won't mind dropping the cash if it fixes it for good.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21575 |
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I'd say it's fixed "for good" as long as you never pull a plow or disc again. The problem is the design.....the flange lip isn't substantial enough to keep the sleeve up where it belongs if it is an engine that is required to produce high HP levels all the time. To be really honest, I'd be willing to bet none of those turbo-diesel D-19's ever made it past 3,000 hrs of use before there was a blown head gasket, IF THEY WERE USED ON A PLOW AND DISC ALL THE TIME. Many were already in a salvage yard when they were 10 or 15 years old because the engine problems were so bad.
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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Don I appreciate you getting back to me on this head and it was an interesting read that was posted. Never worked on one of these engines but I am familiar with the 1693 Cat which were a PC engine and I just loved the sound of that old motor. But they were a smoker, especially if let set and idle a while. I was wondering if some of the cam builders would build a cam for this engine? I know that if you want some kind of a special cam grind that they will do it for you. I know that Egge out of California will build special and out of stock pistons for automotive application and I just wonder if they would build these pistons? I don't think that making a liner would be much of a problem. And probably truth be known wouldn't cost a whole lot more than going down to Agco if they were available. I've got to go back up and look at the deck and see if there is enough room to make that lip a few 1000's deeper a wider. Maybe a solution? Leon R Cmo
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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OOOeee, green goo! Well Don, looked at that head and if a wider flange liner could be made to fit it wouldn't be much would it? And Doc, I agree, if Allis ever made a piece of crap motor this had to be it. Or maybe Big Al with the wrong application. (trucks) But at least they could be fixed and then you had something. Certainly by this you can see why AC started to build a bad reputation. It doesn't take much, and then all the competitors start to jump on the crippled animal to make their product not look so bad and there you go. I think if they had beefed the block up a bit they wouldn't have had to change a thing and problem solved. This is a case of not getting out of the box. Leon R Cmo
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Mottwelding ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 May 2016 Location: Fort St.John Points: 35 |
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I though when you deck it and cut a counter bore you made that lip bigger by machine by .020 or something so the sleeve has a good sized lip to sit on, all this talk makes me start looking at a 4bt or the 301 engine swap cause its prob about 5-8 grand to rebuild this engine depending on where you live and for that I could find a pretty sweet perkins or kubota and get and adaptor plate made up.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21575 |
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A-C's "fix" was a sleeve flange .020" or .030" TALLER, which allowed you to recut the counter bores deeper, saving the day with a new square ledge only deeper into the block. Sad part about this engine was, before A-C owned it, there was no sleeve....it was a bored block.
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Mottwelding ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 May 2016 Location: Fort St.John Points: 35 |
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alright ok well I'm no machinist but could a guy re bore the block and get a set of pistons made for that? I just got this tractor free and wanna fix it up to use a 3 bottom low, discern and front loader on 400 acres i just got, I would buy another tractor one day but for 10K you can't get much and I would rather just make this work. I see guys maybe do a 301 engine in there, just no point in dropping money on sleeve, pistons and all the machining if you cannot even use the thing i might aswell run it till it blows!, sorry I'm not trying to hi jack the thread, this is the best info I've found in 40 hrs digging on the net. Thank you!!
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CAL(KS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3800 |
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no. they were bored for wet sleeve. so nothing left where sleeves fits except top and bottom
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JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 34278 |
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Just a question, Could those sleeves be silver soldered in the top deck?
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8547 |
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There ya go!! Furnace braze sleeves in the block,top&bottom.
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CAL(KS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3800 |
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I think most AC people who buy d19's do it for sentimental or collector value not for a working tractor. There are also those of us who dont realize what we got into until we already have it.
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
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Big Orange ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Points: 315 |
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The D19s used A different cam in some engines. By the the picture this is one with that cam.The pistons have to match the the cam or the int valve will hit the pistons.
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Mottwelding ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 May 2016 Location: Fort St.John Points: 35 |
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I have read the 301 came in the 185 and it was around the same HP as the 262, i think it was 72 hp or something, or the 200 engine out of a f2 gleaner combine for swaps other then the 262. Im gonna use this tractor for minor discing and blowing and road building, tree removal on my 400 acres. Id rather do all the work on an engine swap then rebuild this engine if it cannot be worked, I've searched the internet high and low and found no build threads on this or really any info, does anyone know about engine swaps. rebuilding the 262 would be fine if it fixed it but i don't have a tractor to not use it.
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Well after months for looking and finding all the right parts and then being put on hold for the block and head to be rebuilt the D19 is running again. Here's some pics of the engine work.
Here's short video of it running. Tell me what you think if her running. http://vid242.photobucket.com/albums/ff105/SkiRat03/Michael%20Crowes%20D19%20engine%20work%202016/Michel%20Crowe%20D19%20095_zpsscgllynf.mp4 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Michael Crowe ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kansas City Points: 1722 |
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Don it looks and sounds great; can't wait to get it home so I can mow with it.
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Skyhighballoon(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pilot Grove, MO Points: 3115 |
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Michael - I was a few days too short of hearing it run in person when I was at Don's last Saturday to pick up my 1300 field cultivator. It looked good going back together, Don hadn't got to the sheet metal yet but was working on the engine front installing the power steering pump.
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1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex
1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
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Dan73 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 2015 Location: United States Points: 6054 |
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Don once again you did an amazing job. Like others I love reading these threads I always learn something new.
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3016 |
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Everything looks great and it runs like a top. I think the D19's are very cool, just for what they were in history. Like many others, it's too bad they are so difficult to find part for. Thanks for posting the pictures.
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Thanks guys. It takes a lot of time to over haul a Buba 230/262 engine and make it right, they are a lot like building a race engine, "that will work" is not they way to it, buckets of money and days of labor check and recheck. I like rebuilding them and they seam to find there way to the shop for help.lol
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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OnlyAC ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Location: Ohio Points: 10 |
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That looks great! Sure sounds a lot better than the one I have. Makes me wish I lived closer to Missouri so I could have you take a look at mine.
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AC list: B-10 | B-112 | WC | WD45 | D12 | D14 high-crop | D17 gas | D17 Diesel | D19 gas | D19 Diesel | 185 |
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