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What's in your oil or what's not in there.
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Originally posted by Don(MO) Don(MO) wrote:

Originally posted by BenGiBoy BenGiBoy wrote:

Okay, I am a tad confused here... Do I want zinc or not in my older tractor engine?

Older flat tappet lifter engines need zinc.  Gas, LPG or Diesel.
Newer roller lifter engines do not need zinc.  Gas, LPG or Diesel.
I hope this helps.

Thanks Don. That helps. Big smile
My B needs zinc....
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someone said amzoil z max ,z max is a additive but not amzoil. think what they were referring to is amzoil z-rod I use it in wd d17 and 5 old chevys , hope I am doing the right thing . anyone else use the z-rod?
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Just looked Z-Rod up... $11.20 a quart on the AMSOIL website!
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Don I almost didn't read this thread because I know how the oil story goes here. But when I saw your name I went guess I better look. Good point on the zinc.
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DougS,,,what i was trying to say is that most off the shelf stuff in synthetic doesnt have zink,,,,,wasnt talking about specialty oils,,,or hard to get oils,,,,,by hard to get i mean you have to go to a speed shop or order online

thats why i use vr1,,( i said zr1 in other post,, my bad,,lol old age ),easy to get and is plenty for my application

yes they do make 2 versions of vr1,,,one is a street version and one is for off road only...i would use that off road version if i didnt have to order it,,,,the street version is on the shelf and i can get it local anytime i need oil

nobody local for me sells amsoil,,,i have to order it on line

i have always used valvoline and will continue

but that is just me,,,i dont work for valvoline,,,,and that is just what i use,,,YOU will have to make your own choice,,,but i did a lot of reading and research and talking to racers i know and vr1 is where i settled

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Just a comment, but, originally, the older AC tractors called for non-detergent oil; 10W in the winter and 30W in the summer. Of course, we all know that was before the advent of multi-viscosity oils.

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Those ancient none detergent oils were really hard on engines filling them with sediment and sludge including the oil passages. When I was young my dad had subscription to Lubrication magazine from Texaco and I remember and article there comparing the new detergent oils to the nondetergent oils looking inside New York City taxi cab engines. The old oil engines filled with sludge in less than 50,000 miles and needed rebuilding more often than that while the engines running detergent oil were clean at 100,000 miles and still running fine.

I know my dad had to rebuild his car engines about every 30,000 miles until he bought his first new car a '54 Ford I block 6. It showed no signs of needing internal maintenance at about 68,000 when he assigned me a summer task of pulling it and taking it apart to look for wear. The mains and rods plastigaged at .003, not worn at all. I put it back together and I know it ran to about 110k before it left the family. That was a new engine design short stroke and oversquare, but I believe that detergent oil was important in its longevity.

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