Question, Draining transmission oil on 7050

I want to change the transmission oil on my 7050. When looking at the Operator's manual it states that there are two front transmission drain plugs. I only see one. I've included a picture of the page in the Operator's Manual and my tractor. My tractor does not look the same as the Operator's manual picture shows. Also, the pump screen cover plate at the rear of the transmission doesn't look the same as in the manual either (I don't have a picture of that but I can get one tonight if I need to). Thanks in advance for any advice.

7050.pdf

What you have is an update from a newer 7060,called a sewer pipe system. There is one drain plug underneath the transmission (above the rubber hose) that takes an 1 1/8" wrench, and one of the four 3/8" bolts at the bottom has a special flat washer on it and is the lower drain. To access the screen for cleaning you need to remove that sump and cover plate. Use good adhesive on both sides of both gaskets and let cure before refilling with oil.

They are two separate compartments, one is filled and checked with dipstick in cab, rear end is checked at rear housing with sight glasses and filled at top of rear end housing. If they mix there is a oil transfer problem.        MACK

Well from my first hand experience, I can tell you topping off one does not fill the right where it needs to be. If what you say is true, why in the heck would they have built the tractor with 2 check points and 2 fill points?

Tcmtech wrote: How many other brands and models of tractors have multiple plugs or points that could be used checking various fluids?

No clue. None of the Ford, JD, Massey Ferguson, or Allis (?) models I have personal experience with have multiple points for the same fluid.

Tcmtech wrote: I for one don't consider a dipstick tube a fill point.  Especially one inside the cab.   I mean what idiot would put a fill point for a transmission that takes 10+ gallons in the cab just under the seat where it's hard to get anything bigger a 1 gallon jug and a small funnel into without spilling all over the place?

I guess you can call some poor guy who worked for Allis many years ago an idiot if you want. My bucket pump works great for it. Set the bucket on the step, tube in the FILL POINT , pump away.

Tcmtech wrote: I for one do not consider that a valid fill port anymore than I consider the engine oil dipstick tube an engine oil fill port.   Just because it can be done there doesn't mean it's right let alone the best.

In that poor dipstick tube's defense, it is a pretty big tube. In fact, on my tractor, it's about the same size as the fill point on the back of the tractor!

Tcmtech wrote: Personally I don't worry about the little stuff.   I put fluid in the big port on the back and the right level shows up on the dipstick in the cab.  That's good enough for me.

Well isn't that special!

I just did as the operators manual said to do. I didn't feel I was smarter than it.

Edited by Tbone95 - 05 Oct 2016 at 11:44am

As Mac said, if you can fill both from one filler tube, there is a transfer problem. I had a 7060 that was transferring one year during planting season. We connected both compartments with a rubber tube just to make it through planting. But, we had to fill them through the fill tube in the cab to get the correct amount in the transmission. The rearend was over full some when the tranny was at correct level. We had no problem with the rearend a little over full, but from personal experience, if you overfill the tranny compartment, it will overheat badly. We made it fine until we could split it and fix it correctly.

^^^That's not the problem. The problem is you hop on here and bluster and blast your through posts contradicting guys like Mack and Dr. Allis who either of which know more than most of the rest of us put together, as if you're the expert. Then turn around and state you've only owned Allis for 3 years and don't like their designs.

You're entitled to you opinions of Allis, and you're entitled to post about anything you want. Just show a little humility once in a while, you don't know everything. I know I certainly don't!

Tbone95 wrote: You're entitled to you opinions of Allis, and you're entitled to post about anything you want. Just show a little humility once in a while, you don't know everything. I know I certainly don't!

Humility, respect, acknowledge other people have knowledge, whatever you would like me to call the general concept that you have 2 ears, 2 eyes, and one mouth, and sometimes they ought to be used with a nod to that ratio.

You first shared your experience, that was fine. When myself, Mack, and Dr. Allis told you that was wrong, you argued with it and still thought you were right. When you eventually came to realize you were in fact wrong, then it was just a stupid design from Allis that doesn't impress you. Now the good Dr. explained why in fact it is a good design, and OH, well then...

Whatever. It's obvious you can't be reached. Your first paragraph in your last response to me describes yourself to a T, and now I know.

Tcmtech wrote: MACK wrote: There is about 1 1/2 gal in range transmission that will not drain out. Can be sucked out through dip stick tube.      MACK Tomtech, you are talking rear end not transmission. Yes I know, but they share internal connections and thusly circulate the same fluid through them so if a transmission fluid change is being done then ideally all the fluids from the transmission back should be done as well.

MACK wrote: They are two separate compartments, one is filled and checked with dipstick in cab, rear end is checked at rear housing with sight glasses and filled at top of rear end housing. If they mix there is a oil transfer problem.        MACK

Tcmtech wrote: When i worked on ours to put a dual speed PTO in it once the main PTO shaft was pulled everything in the differential and transmission drained down to that level.  Also when refilling fluids putting fluid in the rear filler brings everything right up to where they need to be as well being there is a passage built into the casting above and to the side of the PTO shaft that connect the rear cavity to differential section.    That's what I know from first hand experience.   I've topped off fluids that way many times this year after blowing hoses and cylinder seals on the baler and hay conditioner plus the PTO shaft seals that dumped lot of fluid before being found.

Basically right through here, combined with the experiences of you on the B oil pressure thread.

Earning Respect: You first encounter or meet a stranger. How do you treat them? Like a piece of dirt because they have to earn your respect starting from 0? Or is there a base level of respect for people, and they can add to it or diminish it from there? Just a question.

Tcmtech wrote: I won't be back.

WOW, ya think the forum could be so lucky.

Tcmtech wrote: I thought so and see now.  Clearly I'm dealing with another pompous fool here who can't read proper context from basic sentences that likes to get upset and judgemental over his perceived take on what is not actually there or implied.  So given that, yes ,I will deal with you just as I do with such idiots in public.  Let them have their say and I walk away.  If being such a illiterate moron that people walk away from you is your way of winning an argument, well happy winings to you.  Post whatever you want about me from here to further justify your win in your mind. I won't be back.

Tbone is no fool!   Just a god ole boy. As far as Dr Allis goes what he posts is good as gospel.

victoryallis wrote: Tcmtech wrote: I thought so and see now.  Clearly I'm dealing with another pompous fool here who can't read proper context from basic sentences that likes to get upset and judgemental over his perceived take on what is not actually there or implied.  So given that, yes ,I will deal with you just as I do with such idiots in public.  Let them have their say and I walk away.  If being such a illiterate moron that people walk away from you is your way of winning an argument, well happy winings to you.  Post whatever you want about me from here to further justify your win in your mind. I won't be back.  Tbone is no fool!   Just a god ole boy. As far as Dr Allis goes what he posts is good as gospel.

Why thank you Mr. Victory!