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    Posted: 23 May 2025 at 9:27pm
This is on U-tube videos. Actually pretty good and the Deere 4020 wasn't number one !!!
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The 5 Most Reliable American Tractors of the 60s

I'm not sure I agree with their top 5.

Also, he stated that the D-17 had independent PTO, which it didn't.
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First time viewing the video and I see Dr Allis on his D17 and myself pulling my D17 diesel. I’m guessing they pulled the video’s off YouTube? Pretty cool and it caught me off guard, wasn’t expecting to see myself in it. It was cold and windy the day of the pull!
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My D17 made it on that video also.
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You know it's AI when they start out with the 'Farmall 8 hundred and 6'!
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Originally posted by WF owner WF owner wrote:

The 5 Most Reliable American Tractors of the 60s

I'm not sure I agree with their top 5.

Also, he stated that the D-17 had independent PTO, which it didn't.


Cockshutt held the patent for 'full live pto', so every OTHER manufacturer had to either pay license/royalty for that, or come up with a patent for some OTHER arrangement.  

From what I understand, D17s prior to Series IV (like my series 1) attained 'semi-live' power status in same way the WD/WD45 did with hand-clutch, by virtue of the 2-speed Power Director... but after the Cockshutt patents sunset, EVERYONE adopted it....

D17 production was not all '1960's.  The Series II/III was '60 through 64.
1964-67 were Series IV, which WERE full live PTO.

So in context, the author is not incorrect... there is just not a footnote to identify the Series IV... it WAS a full-live, and one of the most reliable tractors, of the 1960's.

But keep in mind, this wasn't done by a human, it was AI-generated crap- that's why there's constant linguistic errors, poor script development, and images that don't associate with the narration.  In short, it's clickbait.  

Here's how this works:

The AI 'bot' just goes looking for pieces of text that have appropriate tags.  It searches for it, then uses same tags to look for videos and photos with similar tags.  It grabs them, assembles them, and applies a voice synthesis and free online background music, and then picks a thumbnail screen that's intended to get your attention, puts them all together, posts the video, and generates click-based web traffic revenue...  and it doesn't 'care' about the fact that it grabbed pieces of someone ELSE's video.

It is, effectively, mechanized plagairism... same thing school kids are using to generate 'research papers' for their classes.  Same thing teachers bring to me to determine wether they cheated, or actually did their own research and writing.

In a conversation with the principal of my wife's school, the principle mentioned that they were working up this great new program to teach grade-school kids AI.
When she asked me what I thought of it, my answer was probably a bit harsh:

Schools have no business with Artificial Intelligence.  The function of a school, is to develop NATURAL INTELLIGENCE.Wink


Edited by DaveKamp - 28 May 2025 at 7:50am
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D-17 IV....170......175 were still the same PTO set-up as older D-17's and WD45's. "LIVE" but not fully independent.
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Using the power director correctly on D series and 100 series makes it close to being live until you need to shift gears grrrrrrrrr. Still, I love baling hay or any other farm work with my Mighty XT, for old school it can’t be beat IMO. Same for the D17, sickle mowing with the 82S and the conditioner behind it what a blast. I still use that combo on occasion when I want to go back in time when dad did it that way except he used both pieces of equipment separately since his 82R didn’t have a hitch and pto shaft to operate a conditioner.
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Shifting the main transmission gears can be done if everything is in check, put the PD in neutral- brake a little, then just slide it in gear
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Originally posted by AC720Man AC720Man wrote:

Using the power director correctly on D series and 100 series makes it close to being live until you need to shift gears grrrrrrrrr. Still, I love baling hay or any other farm work with my Mighty XT, for old school it can’t be beat IMO. Same for the D17, sickle mowing with the 82S and the conditioner behind it what a blast. I still use that combo on occasion when I want to go back in time when dad did it that way except he used both pieces of equipment separately since his 82R didn’t have a hitch and pto shaft to operate a conditioner.

All D17's and 170-200 had LIVE PTO. Not close to live, LIVE. Not independent PTO. There IS a difference!
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The AI crap makes it harder to keep people from interpreting misinformation as fact. 
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What is the difference between "Live" PTO, and "Independent" PTO? I have two tractors, the White has an idependent pto, the Ford has what I've always called a "dead" pto. On the White, the PTO continues to spin/operate whether the clutch pedal is depressed or not. With the Ford, the clutch pedal cannot be depressed and the PTO shaft continue to operate/run.

Expanding on this yet further, the White has both "Independent", and "Ground Driven" settings for the PTO operation. I just leave it in the "Independent" position as don't know what the other position does, or is for?

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Edited by Codger - 30 May 2025 at 2:56am
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