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Burl ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2014 Location: Aurora Mo. Points: 232 |
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Have a few questions for the pro mechanics. How do one wire mag. sensors for (engine flywheel) tacks really work? I put an OHM meter to one to find out what it does when flywheel lugs pass by magnetic strip. I dont detect a thing. Maybe the sensor is weak , it is a used one. The mag. field will hold a paper clip to itself but,nothen much larger. Is it just a series of quick grounds? I dont have a clue ! Can someone please explain it in dummy terms for me? thanks
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j.w.freck ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: karnack texas Points: 1153 |
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all it is is a phonic wheel.picks up magnetic impulses generated by the flywheel magnets,and induced into a coil pickup,impulses are read in I computer box and converted to rpm.....
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Burl ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2014 Location: Aurora Mo. Points: 232 |
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Well,thats got me lined out ! thanks
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Burl ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2014 Location: Aurora Mo. Points: 232 |
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Can the pickup sensor itself be tested for good or bad?
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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A sensitive volt meter might show a varying voltage with engine speed, but a digital may not show anything consistently. An oscilloscope may show pulses for each time the flywheel magnet passes the magnetic pickup which is probably a coil a lot like a field coil in an alternator but with fewer magnets than the alternator.
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Burl ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2014 Location: Aurora Mo. Points: 232 |
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Thanks Gerald . Could this style TACK be connected to the distributor (TACK) term or would that be to much pulse??
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HudCo ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3821 |
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a led will change fast enough to show pulse's
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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The pulse from the distributor coil primary would be too much pulse I think and would happen more often like for a four cylinder engine twice per revolution. There have been test tachometers made to operate on the ignition coil connection to the points, same meters often could also show dwell (fraction of the time the points are closed) needed for some GM engines to set the point gap. I have a meter like that somewhere, but haven't used it in a long time.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8525 |
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There aren't any magnets involved other that the one in the end of the sensor.The tack sensor on my 8070 reads the starter ring teeth from the front face of flywheel.My Cat truck engine reads ring teeth from the outer dia. My trucks speed is from reluctor ring on trans output shaft.Ground speed on my F2 Gleaner works same way.A magnetic pulse that has to be dicifered.
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gcnoyes ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 2014 Location: Hesperus co Points: 9 |
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Its measured in hertz. there is an online calculator that converts hertz to rpm. if you buy a tach that measures rpm from a magnetic pick up you will have to input the number of teeth for it to read correct rpm. We use them in all of our oil field compression.
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Burl ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2014 Location: Aurora Mo. Points: 232 |
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So , the works inside the tack converts the magnetic pulse to RPMs ? The sensor wire only goes thru a selector switch (under tack) before connecting to tack. What I am up to is putting a tack out of a F2 in a K2 that had NO tack or pickups. All I need or want is engine RPMS. I mounted tack ,bypassed selector sw. Put factory sensor on flywheel and direct wire to tack and hope it will give reading !!
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TramwayGuy ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Northern NY Points: 11684 |
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If all you need or want is engine speed, get a regular add-on tach made to read the ignition pulses. Unless it is diesel. Otherwise you will need a tach that you can calibrate for number of ring gear teeth.
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Burl ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2014 Location: Aurora Mo. Points: 232 |
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What ever mojo magic go on, it now works fine as a Rolex watch !! Only had to run 1 wire from 4 pin and hot wire from floor console to overhead panel.
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gcnoyes ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 2014 Location: Hesperus co Points: 9 |
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When the tooth on the flywheel passes the magnet it's converted to a electric pulse. the tach counts the pulses and converts that to a digital signal for the readout. tacks you get will be a tach/ hour meter. They are accurate and trouble free. If the tach ever goes on my 190 I will add the mag pick up and put a digital tach in there. Im sure its better than the factory tack. Thats assuming you aren't a die hard purest. I have already put a timed relay on my manifold heater and it is much better than holding the key backwards and counting.
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TramwayGuy ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Northern NY Points: 11684 |
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I know that some alternators had a pulse sensor output built into them; to drive a tach.
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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The alternator generates alternating current with the frequency proportional to the shaft speed so a sample of that is given to the tachometer designed to use that. No pulse sensor. The alternator then uses silicon rectifiers to make DC for charging the battery. Long ago some Leece-Neville alternators used external rectifiers so put out three phase AC.
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gcnoyes ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 2014 Location: Hesperus co Points: 9 |
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Gerald just beat me to it. We converted all of our compressors that used alternators to run the tacks to Leece-Nevil alternators we still had problems with the AC signal so we went to different tacks on the panel and converted them to mag pickut types. Pulley size has to be right and still wont be as accurate as the mag pick up type.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8525 |
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Just curious,why the interest in eng rpm? Almost never check mine but I live by ground speed and that cyl rpm is mighty handy when needing an adjustment. |
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rw ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2009 Location: United States Points: 384 |
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I have had some issues getting fertilizer dealers spreaders to cover supposed width properly. Really shows up on grass hay fields that have kind of poor fertility in general. Using a light bar GPS and measuring width of pass and still wind up with overlap strips about 12 to 15 feet wide. I think my fan/alt belt slips on my 7045. Flywheel sensor tach would be something I would like to add for that purpose.rw
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