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Another LP shortage???

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    Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 3:48pm
We ordered LP a couple weeks ago. First time in a long time we e had a winter fill up. It finally arrived today.
They would only allow us 200 gallons and jumped the price $1.10
I asked the driver why it was so much more than when we ordered it and why didn’t they tell us about the limit. He let us have it for the price we were quoted and filled the tank.
Had we not been home this would not have been the deal.
He says they’ve been working 7:00 am to midnight 7 days a week since Christmas.
What’s the deal?
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Believe it or not, a lot of this has to do with COVID...Saudi and Russia cut supplies of CRUD oil.... Nobody is driving, need less gas and diesel... byproduct of CRUD is  Propane.... so less of that world wide... Low temps in Europe and US have caused  a bigger demand than normal.... so price goes up ...  They say things will be more " normal" in 60 days.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DMiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 5:57pm
Be Spring in sixty days!!
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THATS THE PLAN ! Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DMiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 6:55am
So let me get this straight. SCUPJoe shuts down Tar Sands and Fracking Shale oil in Central North US States, same time Saudis' and Russia slow crude shipments to jack pricing.  I dare say Putin's Right Hand Job man is SCUPJoe as he jacks OUR dependence on Import Oil and screws the US Population yet again.

SCUPJoe=  Sleepy Creepy Uncle POTUS Joe.
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Yes, D... that's one possible circumstance.

As Steve noted, propane is a byproduct of crude oil refinement and distillation.  it is C3H8, and it readily separates itself from crude oil in the process, and that makes it RELATIVELY easy to extract and capture, where it is compressed and chilled into liquid, for storage and transport into waiting markets.

This summer's COVID circumstance SEEMS like it 'reduced' fuel demands... in a twist of fate, the so-called 'pandemic' had an interesting impact on economic circumstances.  Gasoline prices went down as a result of lower demand... and production of gasoline was reduced.  Diesel consumption went down a LITTLE, but primarily, trucking and rail fuel consumption did not dramatically change.  PASSENGER JET SERVICE ground to a halt, which reduced the demand, and price for aviation-tracked heavy fuels... which brought those fractions to higher availability in the diesel market AND... increased the availability of higher-fraction gasoline production.  This all means... it was a visceral 'popcorn popper' of markets.  SOME industries were able to make GOOD USE of circumstances... big-tech shippers, all the way down to your neighbor's kid running DoorDash made well in that circumstance... while others, laid-off from 'entertainment industry', sat at home in their pajamas wondering what to watch next.

The odd thing, is that the 'leisure' industries... RV/camping and boating, saw substantial upticks the likes not seen since the end of the 41st presidential administration.  Fuel prices at the gas dock at the start of the 42nd doubled the first summer, and half again by the second, which knocked all the 'blue collar' boaters out of the water.  Many moved to RV, as towing a 26ft trailer to a campground 40 miles is expensive at 10mpg... but that's still better than a 26ft boat going 10 miles at 1.6mpg...

My buddy had a quadrupling in small-sales biz, and an x20 in fuel sales at his harbor, almost as high as 1985...

But back to propane:  They don't refine oil to make propane.  They refine oil to make heavy fuels, lighter fuels, building materials (asphalt, etc) elastomers and plastics... so the LESS they refine, the less propane is available.

Last fall was a 'wierd' season, there was lots of drying going on in many places, but there were some areas that didn't.  Commodities markets were strange- some farmers were selling straight out of the field, some were storing.  I suspect futures contracts, particularly in light of south american crop numbers and demands from Asia markets, were causing market instabilities, but the end result is that some places DID use a fair amount of propane.

And it's been a wierd winter...

But ANY ADMINISTRATOR who jumps into a chair and immediately stabs a pen at orders to make huge changes, is doing great damage.

You just don't throw crap on the tracks in front of a fast-moving train, it WILL cause a wreck.

One can be certain, that the individual sitting in that chair, is benefiting greatly from this malaise, and it is clear that he, and his entourage have been heavily embedded in it for a long time.  Most of them have.  This 'pandemic' being a clear demonstration to those willing to see... consider WHO is making big.  "Big Pharma?"  No.

Big Tech:  Social Media, and ANYTHING you can buy online.  Amazon... #1 purveyor of cheap Asian imported goods...

If the National Mall had a gillutine, perhaps they would temper their actions so as to never hear it claim it's bloody prize.
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Only 28 days until Spring in Ontario......
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