190xtd disking and vibration

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   Yesterday I disked a ten acre field that was in corn last year for my cousin with my 190xtd and his 10 foot john deere disk. That was the first time I ever disked before. It dug in pretty good and pulled kinda hard. The ground was on the verge of being too wet but I guess that helped it cut in all the deeper. Ran the tractor in 5th gear. I had to slightly pick the disk up on some of the hills because I was loosing traction.  I made a video of it but I don't know how to load it on here.
I am going to have to split the tractor to find out what is causing a vibration. It vibrates some at slower speeds and alot more in 7th and 8th gears. This vibration started at the end of a tractor ride last fall. Was in 8th gear most all of the ride. I totally rebuilt everything on this tractor inside and out. The one nut on the idler shaft (I think it's the idler shaft, I forget) in the torque tube was supposed to be torqued to 180 ft. Lbs. I had a hard time holding the clutch shaft and tightening the nut at the same time. My guess is that is where the vibration is coming from. I think I'm going to take a look at the pinion and ring gear  to look at the wear pattern and check the backlash. 
Doc, Mack, anybody, has any thoughts?

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screwloose Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Location: maryland Points: 361	Post Options Post Reply Quote screwloose Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 190xtd disking and vibration Posted: 27 May 2016 at 5:35am
	Yesterday I disked a ten acre field that was in corn last year for my cousin with my 190xtd and his 10 foot john deere disk. That was the first time I ever disked before. It dug in pretty good and pulled kinda hard. The ground was on the verge of being too wet but I guess that helped it cut in all the deeper. Ran the tractor in 5th gear. I had to slightly pick the disk up on some of the hills because I was loosing traction. I made a video of it but I don't know how to load it on here. I am going to have to split the tractor to find out what is causing a vibration. It vibrates some at slower speeds and alot more in 7th and 8th gears. This vibration started at the end of a tractor ride last fall. Was in 8th gear most all of the ride. I totally rebuilt everything on this tractor inside and out. The one nut on the idler shaft (I think it's the idler shaft, I forget) in the torque tube was supposed to be torqued to 180 ft. Lbs. I had a hard time holding the clutch shaft and tightening the nut at the same time. My guess is that is where the vibration is coming from. I think I'm going to take a look at the pinion and ring gear to look at the wear pattern and check the backlash. Doc, Mack, anybody, has any thoughts?

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CTuckerNWIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22816	Post Options Post Reply Quote CTuckerNWIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 5:56am
	Upload the video to youtube and share it from there. You have to register and make an account with youtube but if you have any videos to share, that is the way to do it.
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allisorange Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 27 Mar 2010 Location: perkins, michig Points: 374	Post Options Post Reply Quote allisorange Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 6:46am
	Can,t you get at that without splitting the tractor? John Carlson

screwloose Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Location: maryland Points: 361	Post Options Post Reply Quote screwloose Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:08am
	I think that I can get to it without splitting the tractor but the nut is staked, and I want to check the free play of the shaft. Don't think I can do that without really digging in lol. It's really pretty easy to split. I made a splitting stand on wheels that I bolt to the side rails. I unbolt the torque tube from the back engine adapter plate, screw studs through the torque tube holes into the frame rails. Then roll the front forward about 3-4 inches, take the studs out and put bolts back in to bolt the back engine plate and side rails back together. Getting the torque tube off won't be that big of deal after that. The issue will be taking the rest of the crap apart to get into the pinion and ring gear. Worse thing about it all is the tractor is all painted up nice and pretty, ding dang it lol

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19668	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 9:16am
	If the "vibration" changes with actual ground speed, I don't see how it could ever be involved with anything ahead of the differential. That particular stake nut just needs a good 1/2" impact to tighten it and then stake the nut. They are not known for ever coming loose. What you perceive to be an internal driveline problem, may be nothing more than a platform, fenders, rear tires or sheet metal issue.

8050/8030/185 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: United States Points: 171	Post Options Post Reply Quote 8050/8030/185 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 9:30am
	A 10' JD disk? I pulled a 14' JD disk for years behind my D17D and a 19.5' Krause behind my 190XTD in heavy soils. Are you pulling a plowing disk, if not, your 190XTD needs some serious help. JMHO

MACK Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664	Post Options Post Reply Quote MACK Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 9:58am
	If it has 23 degree tires on hard ground, that could cause the vibration. With transmission in natural, engine wide open, does it vibrate? MACK

Orange Blood Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: ColoradoSprings Points: 4053	Post Options Post Reply Quote Orange Blood Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 1:56pm
	Every 190XT I have ran, has a sheet metal vibration at lower RPMs in the roof of the cab. Of course all I have run, no longer have any sound deadening material in them anymore. Just a thought.
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screwloose Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Location: maryland Points: 361	Post Options Post Reply Quote screwloose Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 2:30pm
	Mack, I'm going to try the rev it sitting still thing. After I do the rev, sitting still thing, just for giggles I'll jack the rear of the tractor up off the ground and run it through the gears and see what happens. 8050, don't know about the disk other then my cousins wanted to use the disk that cuts in more (they have 2 disks) they said the other on was more for leveling. The disk I was pulling had 4 gangs, angled as sharp as they could go, the disk were roughly 16 inch in diameter and there were about 6 on each gang (I didn't count them). I was in 5th gear and wasn't lacking any power. Have 6 pie weights on each back wheel, tires are not loaded. I 'll get back with more info later. Thank you guys for try to help

DougG Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 7977	Post Options Post Reply Quote DougG Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 5:43pm
	Had one that would do that, figured the ring gear was welded up or something, it would do it in 8th on the road, a vibration as the tires rotated , pulled the 3pt access part off it was all good, nothing ever became of it, just let her shudder, guy I bought it from said that it done it since new

screwloose Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Location: maryland Points: 361	Post Options Post Reply Quote screwloose Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2016 at 6:59pm
	DougG, my name is Doug to. Yeah after I rebuilt the tractor ALL new parts, I pulled about 6 round bale wagon loads out of a field and about a mile up the road. Kicked about 15 acres of hay, had to travel on the road for a mile or 2 to get to and from the fields. Went on about a 14 miles to a tractor ride then about a 20 mile tractor ride, then 14 miles to get back home. It was smooth all that time. I spread 6 or so loads of manure, no road travel. If I remember correctly it started after that or maybe towards the end of traveling home from the tractor ride, ding dang it I can't remember exactly.