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   Has anybody here owned or used a fuel trailer?  I am thinking of a 500-750 gallon sized unit.  What are the dot and hazmat regulations on them?  Do you need courses and endorsements?

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Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Fuel Trailers Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 8:50pm
	Has anybody here owned or used a fuel trailer? I am thinking of a 500-750 gallon sized unit. What are the dot and hazmat regulations on them? Do you need courses and endorsements?

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victoryallis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2878	Post Options Post Reply Quote victoryallis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 8:56pm
	We use a old trailer sprayer with the tank and boom removed and the tank is replaced with a propane tank in it's place. Stay off the main roads and you should be good to go.

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 9:03pm
	I would be using it to haul diesel around the oilfield in North Dakota and would want to be on the up and up due to insurance and liability reasons. Not sure if the paperwork will make it unrealistic though.

DSeries4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7493	Post Options Post Reply Quote DSeries4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 10:08pm
	For carrying that much hazardous material, you would have to follow the DOT regulations. You would need to have training and get recertified every few years. On the road, the load would have to be correctly placarded and you would have to carry transportation documents in the truck with you. If you use something that has a smaller capacity, you can be exempt from the regulations. Dealing with Hazmat is my day job. I deal with this stuff almost every day.
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Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41978	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 10:59pm
	You would be dealing with a cargo tank , Yes you would need placards on it and probably testing done on the tank to certify it along with a few more rules and regs. You would need a fire extinguisher also and protected valves and hatches . Has Mat endorsement, copy of Has mat book within reach when exiting cab, and may need shipping papers. Any tank over 110 Gallons becomes a problem. the pickup box tanks that were 120 gallon have fallen out of favor and a smaller portable tank is now found in or on most sites or vehicles.
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Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41978	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 11:04pm
	Might look at some of the construction auctions and see if a field service truck for heavy equipment comes up . Some outfits use a truck body with fuel and lube tanks along with took storage and such as part of their fleets. Also a home delivery type fuel oil truck single axle unit with hose reel and meeter, should be some of them around. They would be set for bulk loading and have the proper fixtures for filling and vent recovery on them.
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SHAMELESS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486	Post Options Post Reply Quote SHAMELESS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 1:41am
	i'd just buy an old fuel truck, straight truck, they hold that much, and already set up with pumps and valves and meters, gotta be alot less regs on them than ona trailer rig!

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33850	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 8:27am
	Regs have changed over the last few years as to vapor recovery, no spill connections, special brake application safeties and such, check on the regs before you buy something that needs to be retro fitted before you can use it. There are also inspection clauses that have come about that if it has not been hydro tested they may not allow fuel to be put in it, a lot of cash to spend to get to fully legal.

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 9:30am
	What if I park it in a central location and have it filled by a bulk truck then bring the equipment to the trailer? If I move it empty or with under the 110 gallons, do I still need to do all the paperwork and endorsements?

Dipstick In Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Remington, In. Points: 8602	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dipstick In Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 11:27am
	Probably, they go more by the size of the tank than what's in them. You just might overfill it to full and then????? That's their thinking and probably true 90% of the time, unfortunately!
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Dave in il Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Manville Il Points: 1748	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave in il Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 12:04pm
	Are you looking at a commercially built unit? The local CNH dealer is selling them and it would meet the DOT / Hazmat requirements. I don't know if training or certifications would be required to pull one here in IL. I doubt you would need any if you were under CDL required weight, as when pulled with a 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck. They are pretty nice looking units, compact tandem axle trailer with stainless steel covers, should last a long time but it wouldn't be cheap. I'm sure they have sold a few to some of the big time operations with multi - thousands of acres that get far away from home before it's all harvested and tilled.

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 12:23pm
	I would get a commercial built unit that was built to code. Just trying to figure out if I want the extra headaches that come with one of these units. I fill out enough paperwork now.

DanWi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1919	Post Options Post Reply Quote DanWi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 1:41pm
	I read somewhere that there is talk about some rule changes or exemptions being proposed because the large combines and tractors hold in excess of a 100 gallons in just one vehicle. So you need to transport 100s of gallons just to fuel the fleet for the day. Just another thing going along with the ever increasing size of things. You would have to current on the the most recent rules.

DougS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490	Post Options Post Reply Quote DougS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 2:08pm
	You wouldn't need a CDL for a 100 gallon tank. I think the rule is a CDL with tank endorsement for a tank of 300 gallons or more. That might be 1000 gallons or more, I don't remember. If you carry fuel and your vehicle is placarded, you would need a CDL with HAZMAT endorsement. I'd have to look up how many pounds of gasoline or diesel you can carry without needing a placard and I don't have the info in front of me. I'm pretty sure you can get by without any additional licenses when you have a 100 gallon tank. Edit: The HAZMAT endorsement is nasty. It's the hardest exam of the endorsements. Here in Oregon you need a "security clearance" to get one also. It's an extra $50 and a background investigation. For $50 it has to be a simple computer check. Nothing like the 5 month long check they did on me in the military when I got my SCI. Edited by DougS - 20 Nov 2011 at 2:13pm

Mike Kroupa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 02 Oct 2009 Location: pierce, ne Points: 337	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mike Kroupa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 4:31pm
	In Ne if trailer is used for farm husbandry and is not licensed dot regs don't apply. But U R still responsible for any spill. You need to have SMV signage and keep under 25mph. I put this together for under 4k and works great.

Dave in il Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Manville Il Points: 1748	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave in il Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 6:45pm
	Spud, Talk to the people selling the commercial built units they should know what your local laws are.

m16ty Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Location: TN Points: 1474	Post Options Post Reply Quote m16ty Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 8:25pm
	You won't have to follow the hazmat regs as long as you move it empty on public roads. If you could, the best thing would be to fill it up and leave it off-road while there is fuel in it. You could then have a 100gal tank on your truck to carry it to the equipment or bring the equipment to the big tank to be filled.