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Front wheel wobble in 4th gear

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    Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 4:35am
I have a 52 CA narrow front.  I recently put new front tires and wheel weights on the front.  Now, when I take it up the blacktop in 4th the front tires occasionally get into a annoying oscillation back and forth.  It just bounces back and forth basically showing the slack in the steering box.  I've checked the front end, and it feels tight.  All the slack appears to be in the box.  It is kind of like what we call death wobble in the 4x4 truck world.  Once is starts it will do it until you either stop or pull the steering wheel to one side.  I lowered the pressure from 35 to the mid 20's with no result.  I was considering running one tire high and one tire low kind of preload it so to speak so that it would put constant pressure to one side.  It wouldn't bother me because I don't run blacktop very often, but I am going to use the tractor for a hayride in a couple weeks, and there is a lot of blacktop on our route.

Have any of you ever had this issue?  If so did you find a fix (other than another box!)?

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I guess you stumbled across one advance of my never getting a tractor out of second gear... what about taking the wheel weights off? Sounds to me like the front end is too heavy and the box is working harder to control it. Granted that the box should take the weights but weight in general is hard on the front end in old tractors.   Sort of why you should avoid a tractor with a loader if you don't want the loader.
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Also the steering box has an adjustment. The service manual explains the procedure.
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Jack the front end up and roll the tires kinda slow and see what kind of wobble you get. Then I think I would rotate the tires 180 degrees from one another and see if that helps.
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Leon are you thinking that the weights have taken the tires out of balance causing the wobble? Just thinking aloud but I never thought much about that with wheel weights.
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If u installed new tires and weights at same time ,remove the weights ,run it again , by just turning wheels 180 ,I would think that at some point one tire rides a high spot ,other will spin free and back to where u where .
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Check wheel bearings/adjustment.
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it's telling you to slow down
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This is common with these old tractors. Still have a WD45 in the shop that the tapered bolt on the lower end of the front end had come loose. Grandpas C did this back in 1960's. gear box gets worn often the adjustment will fix it, just be sure you don't get the adjustment too tight. I had to put 2 rib front tires on 1 back in the 1970's to stop it.
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Many times it's the front pedestal gears that need adjustment. Jack up the front of the tractors and wiggle the wheels left to right and see where the play is at.
The steering gear box has some adjustment which may help. The CA gear box has 2 followers in the gear box as opposed to the B & C which have only 1 follower. They tend to wear out more frequently then the CA. LOL Bob
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I will look into adjusting it. It appeared that most of the play was in the box when I wiggle checked it. If it's anything like a saginaw box on a Gm, the center wears and it can't be adjusted because it gets too tight away from center.

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Then sometimes its possible to turn the gear to a less worn section.

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  My CA acts the same. Never had an issue until I added the front wheel weights. The steering gear box is good and the front segment gears are good as well as all bearings.
 I my case the shaft that goes in the front pedestal has a small amount of end play which causes the segment gears more backlash. The only fix that I can think of would be to add shims between the inner casting and the segment gear.
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If you don't get it tightened up before the hayride, just run about 10 psi in one tire and 30 in the other. Wink
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Guy had a C with a worn gear in gear box .Used 41/2 side grinder and ground down teeth on each end until you could adj and it would not bind right or left. Guy was happy. You do what you got to do.
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I said something about the slop in the steering to Dad why back when I first got the CA from him in 1982 I think. He said tthe sector gear was wore in the top gearbox. Without checking anything I stopped at the Allis dealer and he said he could get me a new one for like $300. I said no thanks. 
 I went thru the pedestal replacing bearings and cleaned everything up. I put grease back in it and I could steer with 1 finger while mowing. Not all the slop was in that gearbox but the center of the sector gear does get wore more than the far ends so adjusting the set screw in, just made it bind up on hard turns.
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I suspect that you have always had the slightly loose gearbox, but since the tires didn't have the extra weight on them before, they slipped ever so slightly that you really didn't notice the issue when you were on the blacktop.  Of course on gravel that is even more forgiving.  Now that you have more weight on the front end, it isn't going to give any more, and now you will see your play show up.  lessening the air pressure in the tires is only going to make it worse.  What do you do when you want tires to grip better??? you lower the air pressure, at least to a certain point.  You will either have to fix the issue, stay off the blacktop, inflate one fully, and run the other tire nearly flat, which isn't good either.
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Probably something else to check is to see if the tire beaded up exactly on the wheel. Look at the tire right next to wheel and you should see a tiny, tiny bead that goes all the way around the tire. It should be the same distance  away from the rim all around the tire, Check both sides. If that tiny bead isn't centered, deflate the tire and lube it real good and air it up watching it all the time. A rough wheel will cause one side to grab and hold the tire while one side comes up ahead of the other. Tires tend to do that anyway. What I did was to get them to bead up then let all the air out then air it up. This helped them to air up straight. Be sure to use something like Dawn to lube it.
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