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Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 9:26am |
Bill_MN, I honestly think the massey fans believe they own Agco. They sure have the intention of taking it over, anyway.
Agco-the Pheonix that rose from the ashes of Allis Chalmers and Deutz-Allis, is what owns MF. I am never going to let them forget that.
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Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 11:14pm |
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Typical corporate puppet obviously doesn't know jack about massey, or AGCO for that matter, he read that display board nearly verbatim as any idiot could do, except he was a worse narrator than the average idiot. This is just a prime example of the disconnect between AGCO management and its own product lines, let alone its customers...it's no wonder their marketing strategies make as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. I did get a kick out of his saying 'and AGCO became part of Massey'. you almost had to wonder if this whole conspiracy actually started in 1997.....
Edited by Bill_MN - 19 Jan 2010 at 11:17pm
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Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 10:49pm |
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Over the years Massey had more ups and downs then AC. Remember at one time they owned Perkins engines. I was surprised that Cat ended up with Perkins. What kept MF going was getting into more of the world market when things were good. Sometimes I wonder if the suits at these companies put a bunch of names on a dart board, throw the dart and buy whatever they hit.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 3:50pm |
Obviously a former MF employee whose job was saved by AGCO. You have to admit there is a lot of history there though and MF wouldn't have that history if people never bought their machines. They must have a following similar to that of our orange ladies to have lasted so long even if it took the whole world to make the same following that AC had just in the states.
I have no need or money to buy anything AGCO makes nowadays. If I did, I know just how I would handle this situation though. If the machines are identical except for paint as I suspect and have read numerous times, I would pay someone to repaint a new one orange even before its maiden voyage to the fields much like those before who bought the last 8000 series and immediately peeled off the DA decals. Those with the expertise could even paint their own. What could AGCO do? I doubt anything. Yes, it would be nice to get it exactly the way you want it especially for the price of them nowadays. However, I don't see this as being much different than what some people pay for new trucks only to drop them off at the paint booth before driving it home. You buy it and make it the way you want it if you have to. I hope those that can will do something along this line. To me, it is nice to see new orange non-Kubota tractors across the land even if they no longer say AC on them. We all know where the orange originated. Well, I've said more than my piece for the day and subject. Thanks for letting me vent.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 9:49am |
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sorry buddy but maybe you should brush up on your history since you don't know why massey survived and not allis. Allis Chalmers was such a huge company and so far spread out that during the credit crunch of the late 70's and 80's, they started to spend more than they were making. That is why they started to sell off divisions. All the agriculture companies were in trouble at that time, but allis was so far spread out that it hit all their accounts...not just the agriculture line! So if you wanna bash allis and praise massey go right ahead...but do it on a massey site if your that loyal! We have no time for you!
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 9:39am |
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Hey Byron, I can't agree more!!...Praising that piece of crap 1150 is a joke!! remember MF's attempt at a true 4WD tractor they had one model called the 4840, I'll bet any amount of money a real 4840(JD) could run circles around that pile of crap!!
A-C 620 as first compact...don't forget the 5000 series too!!!
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 9:33am |
There was one Massey that was Agco based. That was a Massey 9000 series (not sure of exact number) that was actually a White 6215. It was build for sale in Europe.
If you go to www.farmphoto.com and click on the Massey 9000 series, it will bring up photos.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:59am |
KGood. I never said anything against the AC. I stated facts. If you don't believe me then go ask any mechanic. If you have to resort to name calling then you are a juvenile type of person. As I said, ask a mechanic at your local dealer, he is the expert.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:44am |
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He sounds as retarted as the guy who said the 7000 series was a joke
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:43am |
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Dave in il. The Agco is a massey tractor from the 8700/9700 series up until the recent DT series. They used to put a different engine in the different brands but not anymore. With the DT series, it has more Fendt and Valmet in it then Massey. The smaller tractors are still Massey based.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 8:34am |
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hey Brian I couldn't agree more with your thought on the similar take over from 86. Where the hell do some of these guys get off saying that the 7000 series are junk?...Give me a break there are more of them still running in my area than any junk MF of that era. Plus we used to have old MF dealers around us all gone...at least the old A-C dealers still survived and became AGCO, the ones that don't have any MF on there lots and re-fuse to get them I wonder what will happen, I'm thinking next brand to have to be a NH or Buhler. When AGCO eliminated Deutz, and had purshased White those tractors they were building went back to the old A-C and Whites, and ever since then up until recent those tractors had no MF innovations to be found in them Period. Why did the AGCO tractors introduce the new technology first,not MF, its like the com-pany is taking a complete 180. THE old MF couldn't design the MF combine of today, at least Gleaner was able to do so with all their models up to the R75....again a sad sad day, I may have to be escorted away from the AGCO booth at Lousiville after I give them a piece of my mind!!1
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 5:41am |
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AC made the first compact with the 620.
Who is this for? I mean it doesn't fool anyone does it? A farmer isn't going to go, oh wow now I should buy a Massey cause they've sold more than anyone. Oh yeah, and why was Massey going to be bankrupt unless they were rescued by AGCO? Taking credit for the 1150 is like saying hey buy from us we built the Pinto! Just forget about the fact that they blew up and killed everyone inside every time someone bumped them in the rear end.
It'd be neat to see the innovations AC had in concert with the one Massey is taking credit for.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 5:31am |
 Oldoug wrote:
Listen to this tool, I'm pretty sure he's not talking about A-C.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2010 at 2:32am |
Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:
Bowsers, MF doesn't stand for "Mighty Fine" either does it? LOL
Does anyone else see a similarity between the "MF takeover" with AGCO like it was back in 86 when Deutz came in and thought they were going to tell the American Farmer what he wants?
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We now have this amazing tool called the internet to voice our opinions on. Wish we all could have had a way to communicate like this in the mid 80s. Things might have been different then. Maybe some of the 8000 series ideas would have survived through the green weenies.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 10:30pm |
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Bowsers, MF doesn't stand for "Mighty Fine" either does it? LOL
Does anyone else see a similarity between the "MF takeover" with AGCO like it was back in 86 when Deutz came in and thought they were going to tell the American Farmer what he wants?
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 10:26pm |
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I guess AGCO must stand for the Arrogant German Company. What a shame. As for the 7000 series, I love my 7020. Quiet cab, good fuel efficiency, plenty of power. I dont know what was a joke about it.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 10:17pm |
This guys knowledge is so overwhelming he almost doesn't need the board to read off of.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 10:03pm |
Listen to this tool, I'm pretty sure he's not talking about A-C.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 9:49pm |
AGCO had a good power train when they had the White rearend, but when they went to the MF power train it was junk. Bearing races are slip fit in housing. One model used hyd. pressure behind a bearing race for a pto brake. I told a service rep at a service school after MF got involved that we went back 35 years with hydraulics with MF. They showed us a new inovation in ring and pinion(a pinion with a bearing on the back) I informed them that AC had that in 1933 on a WC.
I will quit befor I get wound up on MF JUNK. MACK
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 9:10pm |
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7000 series a joke??? They had 5-10 years of technology on just about everyone in many areas. AC did the "bellyflop" because they had mis-guided management, not because the tractors they built were sub-standard. I think AGCO is suffering from the same brainlessness that AC did.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 8:01pm |
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I'm sure AGCO has a timeline there for A-C, it's probably a quarter as long as the Massey one. It probably has about three times lines, A-C started somewhere around the early 1900's, obtained Gleaner...uh, somewhere along the way, lost everything to Deutz in the mid 80's, and became part of AGCO (since they say they never were the Allis-Gleaner Company) and now has Massey to offer worldwide. AGCO is a prefect example of how life isn't fair, Allis and Gleaner is what made that company, they get no advertising, no credit, and no respect for what they have accomplished in the past and what they have now that is being phased out and what is going to be phased out in the future. It is down right plain unaccecptable.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:58pm |
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I guess the thing that torques me off about this, is that they talk about MF "progress" from the 90's on as if was Massey designed. Actually any "inovations" introduced were AGCO designs that owe more to all the other companies AGCO had bought than anything MF brought to the party. The big combine they're so proud of is a White as are the planters they sell, their tractors are AGCOs not MF. You could paint them green & white and call them Olivers and the company "history" would be more accurate. I would like to see the name changed to AGCO Massey and drop the stupid Ferguson. Unfortunatly when AGCO bought MF it was a grand plan for a world recognised name and dealer network and it is coming to fruition now. At least the Massey guys are getting better equipment from AGCO than the "real" MF could ever have built.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:46pm |
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I see a hell of alot more 7000 series still going today than whatever junk massey made during that era.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:45pm |
"I forgot to ask if this means that Massey Ferguson has replaced the Mean Green tractor company as public enemy number one."
Yup. Richenhagen is right up there with them as well. That pretty much rounds out the top three in my book.
Edited by redline - 17 Jan 2010 at 7:47pm
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:40pm |
I would happily take a 7000 series any day over any massey. I am running a 7050 quite a bit yet, and it is doing a heck of a job for me. It is very cost effective. My 7050 has a lot more to do with the success of todays Agco corporation than Massey did.
Edited by redline - 17 Jan 2010 at 7:42pm
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:39pm |
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Somebody there needs to tell these guys that every brand they are pushing these days suck.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:30pm |
what are you guys crying about Allis Chalmers did the belly flop in the 1980s massy didn't that 7000 series was a joke .
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:18pm |
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What a joke. I think I'm going to go vomit now.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:16pm |
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Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 7:11pm |
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Is this what I have to look forward to at AGCO's booth at Louisville, someone should give this clown a history lesson about A-C's contribution to agriculture!! What a joke!! Why in the hell did this company(AGCO) have to purchase MF in the first place. Anyone I know that has been around these pieces of junk whether it was working on them or running one always said there was a reason why they had "MF" plasterd all over them, and it didn't stand for Massey Ferguson!!! if you catch my drift!!!....Truly a sad sad day!
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