thinking topfuel machining on 226

You mean to tell me that those numbers on welding rod make a difference Butch? I was always told to use stainless steel when in doubt, because the nickel content makes it very forgiving, especially when welding cast iron forgings, double annealed and triple spherodized, with a high temperature austenizing draw. It's the only thing I would ever consider welding a crank or connecting rods with and only then when followed by a post- heat with two, one hundred watt light bulbs and wrapped in my kid's old security blankey for at least two hours per inch, or until the kid screams for the blankey.

the crank in the pictures fault was The submerge wire crank welder was a one wire machine and the hard journal wire in the radius. when journal wire is  used in the radius to arm or throw however you want to say it doesnt allow the crank to flex .  The cranks I choose to use are done on a gleason two wire machine so the crank is not rigid and can flex without stress cracking. Now most cranks break in the radius and most know this so they get enthusiastic about a large radius and do not pay attention to how well the radius is tied into the arm throw.. Purosity or as wi calls it gas holes there is a weak weld and now matter how large the radius is the crank is only as strong as that weakest penetration weld. Ps the crank on top of the trash can was a ohio natpa champions crank and it has no visible purosity in it no visible stress cracking just visible age from running so many years. Its really amasing that people cant see obvious bad craftmenship welds like purosity without it being pointed out .  I would bet money wis crank wouldnt ring through from the purosity like a good forged crank should.

Edited by mlpankey - 18 Dec 2012 at 8:32pm

mlpankey wrote: when journal wire is  used in the radius to arm or throw however you want to say it doesnt allow the crank to flex .

 yeap journal is where rod goes . ken they get pressed closed to straight ground straight and polished most the time no additional heat treating some get chromed on occasion .Wi said he has to do the polishing in a above post to make it a work of art . I say you cant polish a fart.  butch wi doesnt need to worry with the purosity then he cant seam to make it to completion for starting another mock up. its easier to start more  projects than it is to complete one.

Edited by mlpankey - 18 Dec 2012 at 8:40pm

I'm certain pank can see the flaws in the forgeing press. Hey there's even more if it's a union shop as it wasn't someone's job.

That pic I copied of pank's crank was taken from a thread where a few guys are giveing him static about his blown up engine. It's posted with an awesome display of cast iton welding.

He's lyin there saying it's his or here saying it isn't. Tough keepin them straight.

For your entertainment I'll try and get that pic over here later on.

mlpankey wrote:   butch wi doesnt need to worry with the purosity then he cant seam to make it to completion for starting another mock up. its easier to start more  projects than it is to complete one.

Yeah, Rod, you wouldnt believe the difference that head and manifold made. All the way through my RPM range. Its actually starting to give my clutch fits, even with that tiny stroke, so Im having Marty machine me a double disk clutch setup. The power difference was just incredible from what I thought was an already pretty good setup...I got alot more than I paid for!

WI50, the Super Stock looks like a riot, Our local hero around here is Max Simpson, it used to be a good time to watch him when he was running his D21's. Maybe Butch and I need to make a road trip to one of your pulls. I might even bring you some of my miracle welding rod. LOL

wi50 wrote: Butch, the super stock has been more fun.  People are great, chicks love a guy in a firesuit (so I've been told).  I can't wait for next season with the new engine, Indy head, 3 turbos, transmission, etc.  Just wait and I'll show a few parts I've been working on sometime. There's some real great guys in that class, some have been pulling since I was a kid, they know just where to set the drawbar, tire pressure, etc.    Here's a pic..... just so pank can get aroused.  Possiably come to an event and tell us that our quench engines are junk, or maybe that a 2.5" titanium intake valve has the wrong stem size.  I know, someone's crank might break if pushed much past 4000 hp.   Better keep them at 3000 hp right pank.    Anyways, more treasures found on YT from pank.... suppose a guy needs a cast iron forgeing facility to balance an engine?  With a crank plasma cut,  cold hammer forged with an axe, and ground to perfection with a concrete saw,  I suppose he needed to get all the balance anywhere he could.  I guess there's proof he's got a welder anyways.   Possiably chainsaw carveing or axe throwing is more up your alley pank.  Leave the machine work to others.   Oh I forgot he blew up his chainsaw also... forgot to retard the timeing when modding.

  well we havent blown up a chainsaw. and the external grams of weight on the pulley worked just fine for exteranlly balancing  the crank like your purchased superstock engine does for you .          why dont you show the cranks i used since your so good at showing off my pictures. Then you could possibly pass off a post as having a crank with good welds.

Edited by mlpankey - 19 Dec 2012 at 6:35am

Naw Butch, pank has been braggin bout pullin and his shop. I've got some friends around the country so why don't I take off from here and I can pick the Michigan crew up on the way. You Illinois guys can jump in next then on to Ohio.

We'll head over to Cleveland Tn. Check out panks shop. Just let us know when you're pullin pank so we can see the real magic.

I'll stop at wally world today and buy one of them new fangled GPS units. What't the adress of your shop pank? You wouldn't want us to get lost and not be able to find it now would ya?


Oops......I asked pankey a legitimate question....... let's see if we get an adress Rod.

I'll change oil on the fun bus and fill er up with gas'n shine.

Edited by wi50 - 19 Dec 2012 at 8:09am

Butch(OH) wrote: Ken(MI) wrote: You mean to tell me that those numbers on welding rod make a difference Butch? I was always told to use stainless steel when in doubt, because the nickel content makes it very forgiving, especially when welding cast iron forgings, double annealed and triple spherodized, with a high temperature austenizing draw. It's the only thing I would ever consider welding a crank or connecting rods with and only then when followed by a post- heat with two, one hundred watt light bulbs and wrapped in my kid's old security blankey for at least two hours per inch, or until the kid screams for the blankey. Naw rods is rods for those kinds of cranks. An old master told me the only time it makes any difference is when your going to do something with the crank besides take pictures of it        Rumer has it that crank is not getting trashed, its going in a  new union sponsored pedal puller.

now wi is doing cranks he said he was having them done in michigan rob try to keep up . looking forward to you and wi finally making the trip to my shop seminars if you had of done it a year or so in advance when offered  you would known about purosity and quality control on cranks would improve.

Edited by mlpankey - 19 Dec 2012 at 9:37am

Be careful how you arrange that Tenn trip marty

mgburchard wrote: ALL right mitch you will have to get the folding chairs out if your going have class and have to go real slow for them to keep up poffecer PANKY YOU THE MAN PANKEY

wi50 wrote: mgburchard wrote: ALL right mitch you will have to get the folding chairs out if your going have class and have to go real slow for them to keep up poffecer PANKY YOU THE MAN PANKEY   Poffecer?  WTF is a poffecer?  Seriously!!   I know several PROFESSORS but I know no poffecers.   We'd best head out quick Butch.  12-21-12 is just around the corner and I think the world has ended for Beavis and Butthead.