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 Topic: Zippered a tire today
Posted: 23 Dec 2023 at 5:56pm |
Got a new pair of rims ordered in several years ago but never picked up. Makes for a nice Christmas gift from the implement dealer I help out so this chapter is closed.
Thanks to the parties responding to help me out with used rims. I really like this tractor and plan to keep it the rest of my days passing it to family when I'm done. It does what I need, when I need, so nothing fancier is required.
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IBWD MIke
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Posted: 23 Dec 2023 at 4:04am |
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I broke a lot of beads with the 6080 and handyman jack! Works pretty good really. Last summer I bought one of the screw type breakers because it was the only way I could get the tires off my 'H'. Long story. They do recommend you don't use an impact on them because it will shear the roll pin that holds the nut to the screw. I use a DeWalt ratchet. Kind of wish I'd have bought it years ago, really handy!
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Posted: 23 Dec 2023 at 4:02am |
 Codger wrote:
Thanks for the tips. I currently mow the roadside ditches with this and an RD-7200 three point mount mower and it works well, but have been waiting a good batwing to come in on trade as more useful overall to me. This one really does do pretty well and is not "tipsy" at all, but I do not know the slope the mowing is done at. Neither my wife, nor daughter would even think of mowing these areas although I have for over 23 years now without incident. I can't get the zero turn to track straight through these areas and it has difficulty climbing out of the low areas of the ditch. The tractor has no problems. |
There's a cheap solution for angle finding, Harbor Freight sells these:
For $4, you can find the angle, and read it on the go, by putting the AF on a piece of sheet metal, on your tractor. Can also be used on a short length of light weight angle iron laying on the ground, in question.
I have an Altoz tracked ZTR mower, and it's the best on hills, I have ever used, so this comes from experience, with wheeled zero turn mowers, that touchas biting into the seat feeling generally occurs at 25-30 degrees, with losing control and sliding occurring somewhere around there. Since having the Altoz and the AF, I know that its moment happens at around 38 degrees. The price paid for those extra 13 degrees is a little more wheel(track) marks, when making zero radius turns. And a lot of wheel marks and skids are dependent on how wet the situation is, when you are mowing, as well as how you mow, i.e. ribbon striping vs regular round and round mowing.
Do what works best for your level of comfort, is my advice. Sometimes, around here, alls it takes is 1 ground hog digging a new hole in a hillside, to really roll your day over... 
Edited by DiyDave - 23 Dec 2023 at 4:08am
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Posted: 23 Dec 2023 at 12:22am |
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Thanks for the tips. I currently mow the roadside ditches with this and an RD-7200 three point mount mower and it works well, but have been waiting a good batwing to come in on trade as more useful overall to me. This one really does do pretty well and is not "tipsy" at all, but I do not know the slope the mowing is done at. Neither my wife, nor daughter would even think of mowing these areas although I have for over 23 years now without incident. I can't get the zero turn to track straight through these areas and it has difficulty climbing out of the low areas of the ditch. The tractor has no problems.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 11:36pm |
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Wheel weights hanging out there will add stability too…
What I’ll do is use the loader bucket to break beads…
Works with most all tractors tires…
My Wd45 has impressed me with stability with only 3 sets of wheel weights.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 10:39pm |
That is an option I'd considered when first getting the tractor a couple of years ago. It is very stable the way it is with the fluid but with the wider tires installed I may need to mount the center disc on the opposite side for clearance on the inside to tractor spacing. I don't really know how close the tire inner sidewall to fender bracing will be. Also don't know if the loop offset is all the same on this style rim, or if offsets are different with different rims?
I'm actually going to purchase a small "Woods" batwing mower next spring for this tractor that a guy I know is trading in. Don't mind putting a bit of $$$ into it as really like it and suits the purpose needed well.
Tractor:
Batwing mower:
Edited by Codger - 22 Dec 2023 at 10:48pm
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 10:09pm |
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Regarding your side hill stability... Try extending the wheel track width. Lawn tractor companies sell spacers to scoot wheels out to avoid tipping over. Most farm tractors have that feature built in for row crops, even if just changing the hub cup direction.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 6:39pm |
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I have that one. Like it very well. I think an impact is not recommended. Can't remember, instruction manual is AWOL.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 5:31pm |
I borrowed a bead breaker from a friend and it works well. Clamps onto the rim and you tighten both the clamping arm, and foot nut forcing a shoe down onto the tire bead. This one is Harbor Freight but works surprisingly well:
You may think an impact would be faster and it may well be but not needed or you'll lose the control this offers as the pressure is applied.
Edited by Codger - 22 Dec 2023 at 5:35pm
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 1:46pm |
neat way to break the bead... course if I try it, I'll left the dang tractor off the ground..... then it'll roll back, jack comes off, flies at just under Mach3.4 and I'll be the 'headless wonder'....... and tire will STILL be on the rim
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 1:38pm |
DrAllis wrote:
Over the many years of antique tractor fixin, I've saved many a pretty rough inside of a rear rim with 2 or three layers of duct tape wrapped around the wheel to protect the tube from rubbing damage (after a heavy electric wire brushing off the scale/rust). Now, none of mine were ever a "working" tractor and no fluid, but if the rim looked pretty good on the outside, I seldom threw it away from inside pittting. Duct tape to the rescue !!!
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 11:33am |
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Codger, just replaced the tires and 1 rim on my 175D this summer. I shopped all around for 16 x 28 rims and prices ranged from 650 to 800 dollars, nobody that sold new ones had used. I finally found a used rim for $100.oo because the valve stem hole was rusted badly, Grandson cut it out and welded in the one from the old rim. I dropped down to 15.9 /28's instead of 18,4's to save $$...Harvey
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 9:34am |
I have no idea what rims are worth truthfully as have never purchased any. PM me a price please. I don't know where Newton, IA is but I'm west of Peoria, IL between Galesburg, and Peoria about equidistant.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 8:43am |
Codger, I have a pair of basically new, 15X28" 6 loop rims, with 8 bolt centers I would sell. You might want to paint them as they are currently yellow, came off a deere of some sort. Found a picture of one, while I was removing the tires.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 8:10am |
I have actually seen that done Doc. Never really knew of success, or failure with the practice in honesty. My rims are pitted badly around the loops too so not really certain it would hold up. I'm going to blast the rim today and have one off that 3020 also to do. I don't have a pump for the fluid so hanging from my skid steer fork up in the air captured into five gallon buckets. 5/16" fuel line slipped over the valve stem makes a great discharge tube into the buckets. Calcium is not going back in so not worried about hydraulic, or transmission oil contamination in the buckets. Local tire dealer says they'll take the calcium if I don't find another way to get rid of it.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 7:27am |
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Over the many years of antique tractor fixin, I've saved many a pretty rough inside of a rear rim with 2 or three layers of duct tape wrapped around the wheel to protect the tube from rubbing damage (after a heavy electric wire brushing off the scale/rust). Now, none of mine were ever a "working" tractor and no fluid, but if the rim looked pretty good on the outside, I seldom threw it away from inside pittting. Duct tape to the rescue !!!
Edited by DrAllis - 22 Dec 2023 at 8:02am
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Posted: 22 Dec 2023 at 1:00am |
Not updated this and meant to. I broke the tire down and patched both the tube, and booted the interior of the tire. The rim is extremely rough and pitted and I know it won't take a blasting without blowing through in several places so going to replace with new in the first 1/4 of the new year. Have settled on the BKT tires and the original Firestones are six ply so will probably stay with that rating as only mow with the tractor and don't really carry much on the three point. It will be ballasted again however as the stability afforded cannot be compromised.
The used rims I found weren't good enough for new tires in my opinion. They had calcium in them are were pretty corroded on the interior also. One was actually a modification to a wedge clamp type rim and had the loops welded in by a novice. They held so cannot fault that, but didn't look the best.
So for now I'm on the hunt for new 16.9-28 tires and 15X28 rims in six loop style. Don't need the expense this 1/4 but the new year is right around the corner.
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Posted: 23 Aug 2023 at 8:31pm |
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Think I found a used set of rims in the warehouse that will fit. They are orange so assume from an Allis but appear to be the six loop style I need. Didn't have a tape measure and no electric lighting or flashlight with me. I'll look closer tomorrow. No good tires however as the ones mounted are quite worn.
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Posted: 21 Aug 2023 at 2:18pm |
No spin out rims. Six loop type on the rear and I think six lug on the front. I want to say the fronts are 5-1/2 wide and need a 6-1/2 but that's from a not so good memory.
I'll look at the auction if I can find it this evening. Have a manlift kicking me square right now getting a cylinder extracted from the telescoping boom.
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Posted: 21 Aug 2023 at 10:20am |
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Hard to tell from the picture. Does it have power adjust rims?
In the classifieds section, there is an online auction listed in Southers ILL. It ends in 2-3 days and has a set of 16.9x28 and 18.4x28 tires on spinout rims. So far they are only like $5
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Posted: 21 Aug 2023 at 6:58am |
Thank you and I agree. My front tires are rounded as I didn't go with wider rims with the wider and taller tires. I'm not really getting the benefit of the four rib fronts as only the two center ribs are usually in touch with the ground so this is to be addressed also. The 7.50-16 tire was the smallest I could find with the four rib pattern at the time.
Planning to keep this tractor and pass it to the next generation so going to do it right. Girls are just getting to the point they can operate it safely, so time to dress up a bit. Maybe next year ole grandpa probably won't need to mow so much.....
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Posted: 21 Aug 2023 at 6:37am |
16.9's will work on 13" rims, but if you find a set of 15" rims it will spread them out nice and wide without any rounding. I have a set on my WD45 on 15" rims and a set on my D17 wiht 13 or 14's (I think 14's) and the 15 rims fit a lot nicer. Depend on how bad your current rims are rotted around the valve
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Posted: 21 Aug 2023 at 6:13am |
Brought the tractor out of the storage garage yesterday around to inside the shop. Going to remove the rear tires and transport them to the tire shop to be broken down. I can then sandblast and repaint the rims and may need to repair one at the valve stem area as it looks compromised and very weak to me. I'm still likely to stay with Firestone, or go with BKT, and am not settled yet. Talked to the tire dealer yesterday who sells both, so just a choice to be made. We've been friends a long time so will be treated right regardless.
He tells me the calcium is still a very popular product and they install more of it than the beet juice which is probably from an "up front" cost perspective. I'd rather not have the corroded rims problem and tubeless tires myself, so planning to go with beet juice. The weight difference is negligible to me.
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Posted: 20 Aug 2023 at 10:45am |
Codger wrote:
Found this on the internet regarding Beet Juice:
And something about both calcium chloride, and beet juice:
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Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 6:48pm |
Good service in the past from Carlisle tires is the reason I ordered them for my skid steer. "Guard Dog" is the line with the thick sidewall protecting the rim and bead area. Not much harder or durable than a rubber band used on a newspaper roll. Several cuts and abrasions working in my gravel driveway at the shop. Got one sidewall against the state highway asphalt which is higher than the gravel and it peeled the rubber off to the sidewall cord.
These were a Christmas gift from my family and I ordered the tires and new rims as they were USA made and mounted together. Less than a year in I found a railroad spike from where the former barn once stood so replaced the tire without further consideration but the flats without puncture, and tearout of the lugs have soured me on the brand. These have less than 500 hours on them and about 1/2 worn. The original Galaxy "Beefy Baby" tires went just shy of 1800 hours in the same service by the same operator on the same property for comparison.
FWIW in comparison.
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Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 6:29pm |
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Lolol!
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You might want to edit that post, captain. Lol
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Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 11:27am |
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I’ve got 20.8 38 Carlisle’s on the 7030. That’s Ian’s baling tractor. Three years old, 40 ish hours a year. Most incredible rears I have ever experienced.
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Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 9:31am |
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Mine are eight ply Firestone.
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Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 8:05am |
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Son has a FORD 4600 with 7.5 x 16 Carlisle tires on the front that just gave out yesterday.. I think these are 40 years old...3 rib...What would you buy ?
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