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Werewolf 
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 Topic: C allis not turning over
Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 6:25pm |
My C died when trying to start it the starter was barely turn over the starter was twitching a little. If I tried the starter 4or 5 times it would eventually make a turn. Took a starter off my other C and a different battery, same thing. Turns over by hand fine, pulled the plugs no better. Depressed the clutch and looked to see if was releasing looked good same thing. Thought maybe the ring gear was slipping on the flywheel but pulling the plugs should have made a difference. I think I am not seeing the forest through the trees. Any ideas ?
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WF owner
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Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 6:52pm |
Bad ground is the first thing that comes to mind. Could be either the battery is not grounded well or the starter itself is not making a good ground with the bellhousing.
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Edited by WF owner - 07 Jul 2023 at 6:54pm
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 7:06pm |
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look at the cable ends.... lugs on bolts ( ground starter) should be shinny... Terminals and clamps on battery may look clean, but could have a black oxide coating on them.. use sand paper / wire brush to get down to the LEAD or COPPER face... must be CLEAN / SHINNY.
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HudCo
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Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 8:05pm |
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fix the ground
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Werewolf
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Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 8:14pm |
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thanks for the ideas, I’ll give that a try when I get back there.
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mdm1
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Posted: 09 Jul 2023 at 9:47am |
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My WD-45 did that. It had just spun over so I thought it was something else. Turned out the ground cable was not making good contact at the battery post.
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Ted J
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Posted: 09 Jul 2023 at 7:13pm |
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Pull the starter out and ground it to something and try it. It could be the starter needs work. Could be something as simple as new bushings in the ends or brushes. I'd get the kit and do it all...
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WF owner
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Posted: 09 Jul 2023 at 7:20pm |
 Ted J wrote:
Pull the starter out and ground it to something and try it. It could be the starter needs work. Could be something as simple as new bushings in the ends or brushes. I'd get the kit and do it all...
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In the original post, he said that he tried a starter from a different C and it did the same thing. It sounds to me that the problem is something with the tractor, not both starters.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 09 Jul 2023 at 7:39pm |
my guess..
Odds are BOTH battery cables NEED to be replaced. 6 volt ones need to be big and fat ,like thumbs, 12v ones can be skimpy like pinkies.... Should be 'molded' cables NOT 'clamp on' connectors. Copper cables rot from the inside out, can look fine, but 'rotten to the core'..
As an aside, My #1 D-14( last one of 4) ,starter died. Got a rebuilt starter in 24 hrs,locally,thing of beauty..seemed a shame to scratch it during the install. sad thing is I'd just sold my running parts D-14 WITH a newish starter for the same as this new starter cost me....oh well... have to admit 'Troy' starts real fast now.....
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