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 Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 1:25pm |
 steve(ill) wrote:
I see your point Gary... A Pin thru a steel bushing would not appear to have much "movement".. unless your "PIN HOLE" brackets are egg shaped for L-R swing.... Maybe Jim can explain more as he sells them.. Personally i would be temped to use the snap coupler version and make a "trailer hitch" type fitting on my crossbar under the tractor, then PIN thru the coupler loop.. That would give you movement L-R and Up- Down... but would take a little modification to your present hitch bar.
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Yes. A slightly better design might be an add-on bracket that sandwiches the snap coupler tongue (top bracket and bottom bracket, with perhaps loose fitting bolts, one right in the inside circular bend of the tongue, one at the rear. Then the pin sleeve would be welded onto either bracket. That would preserve the integrity of the tongue as well. Being loose fitting, it could give you enough range of motion at least side to side.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 1:13pm |
I see your point Gary... A Pin thru a steel bushing would not appear to have much "movement".. unless your "PIN HOLE" brackets are egg shaped for L-R swing.... Maybe Jim can explain more as he sells them.. Personally i would be temped to use the snap coupler version and make a "trailer hitch" type fitting on my crossbar under the tractor, then PIN thru the coupler loop.. That would give you movement L-R and Up- Down... but would take a little modification to your present hitch bar.
possible hitch design for snap coupler loop.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 1:11pm |
dfwallis wrote:
DrAllis wrote:
Most of the time, each lift/draft arm ball would be at the same height. Moldboard plowing the right side is always an inch or more higher. That whole frame pivots in the snap-coupler bell when you want one lift/draft arm ball at a different height that the other lift/draft arm by changing the lift link length. I don't see a problem as long as it is a snap-coupler bell version.
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Yes, but this would be the non-snap coupler version with a weld on mod which would prevent left to right swing as well as rotational swing.
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I'm up against my spending limit for this year, but when I do this, provided I can devise a suitable drawbar mount modification (keeping the existing 1952 drawbar as is if possible), I'm leaning towards a drawbar mount version for the WD45, perhaps without the sway block (my drawbar mod might suffice for sway block). I tried sourcing the individual parts (arms, drawbar mount), but that cost was way higher than getting the equivalent kit and throwing away unneeded parts :(
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Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 11:02am |
DrAllis wrote:
Most of the time, each lift/draft arm ball would be at the same height. Moldboard plowing the right side is always an inch or more higher. That whole frame pivots in the snap-coupler bell when you want one lift/draft arm ball at a different height that the other lift/draft arm by changing the lift link length. I don't see a problem as long as it is a snap-coupler bell version.
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Yes, but this would be the non-snap coupler version with a weld on mod which would prevent left to right swing as well as rotational swing.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 10:58am |
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Most of the time, each lift/draft arm ball would be at the same height. Moldboard plowing the right side is always an inch or more higher. That whole frame pivots in the snap-coupler bell when you want one lift/draft arm ball at a different height that the other lift/draft arm by changing the lift link length. I don't see a problem as long as it is a snap-coupler bell version.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2023 at 10:41am |
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Yes, we are significantly less than steiner on most parts. I was just at the factory a week ago. Ill be happy to answer any additional questions. |
One of dislikes about the design is that I would prefer that both arms pivot separately. In the snap coupler design, pivot of the fixed arm is relative to the moveable snap coupler tongue. In the non-snap coupler design, it has a pipe welded across the tongue. Unless there is a lot of slop in the size of the hole, there would not be proper pivoting of the "fixed" arm. And I don't think you want a lot of slop in the hole for the pin hitch.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2023 at 11:58pm |
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Yes, we are significantly less than steiner on most parts. I was just at the factory a week ago. Ill be happy to answer any additional questions.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2023 at 10:48am |
dfwallis wrote:
steve(ill) wrote:
there are basically two different types of AFTERMARKET 3 points you can buy... This one you must remove your drawbar from the snap coupler ( or pin hitch)... and install this in its place ... The two arms are adjustable on width and one is pinned and swings outward. .......... this is made for the snap coupler, but could be MODIFIED to the pin hitch.
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OK Tractor has this one with an option premade for non-snap-coupler (that I missed before). Like I said, didn't like the design of it, but when time comes I might choose the easy out. |
I'll add that OK Tractor seems to have this one for about half the price of Steiner...
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:35pm |
that one eliminates the drawbar... if 90% of your work is with the 3 point, then you can buy an adaptor that gives you the ability to use a drawbar , ball hitch, etc.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:29pm |
steve(ill) wrote:
there are basically two different types of AFTERMARKET 3 points you can buy... This one you must remove your drawbar from the snap coupler ( or pin hitch)... and install this in its place ... The two arms are adjustable on width and one is pinned and swings outward. .......... this is made for the snap coupler, but could be MODIFIED to the pin hitch.
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OK Tractor has this one with an option premade for non-snap-coupler (that I missed before). Like I said, didn't like the design of it, but when time comes I might choose the easy out.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:27pm |
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I think what your looking at and what I have are two entirely different 3 point hitches,both my lower arms swing and are adjustable,it works fine with all the 3 point implements I have here and is very stoutly built.Good luck with it. |
I went to the Cross website itself and found no hitches at all.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:26pm |
there are basically two different types of AFTERMARKET 3 points you can buy... This one you must remove your drawbar from the snap coupler ( or pin hitch)... and install this in its place ... The two arms are adjustable on width and one is pinned and swings outward. .......... this is made for the snap coupler, but could be MODIFIED to the pin hitch.
the second design is one that you bolt a cross bar to your drawbar, under the axle.. then mount the two lower 3 point arms to it.... There are other ways to do a 3 point, but the only AFTERMARKET are one of these two designs... You can do it different, but it will be "home made".
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:04pm |
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I think what your looking at and what I have are two entirely different 3 point hitches,both my lower arms swing and are adjustable,it works fine with all the 3 point implements I have here and is very stoutly built.Good luck with it.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 8:11pm |
dfwallis wrote:
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I have a 52 CA it has a Cross Manufacturing 3 point on it, it hooks right to the snap coupler on the tractor, the top link hook up is two metal pieces welded to the rock shaft.Cross is out of Mindenmine Missouri,not sure I spelled that town right, |
Yes, but the 1952 did not come with a snap coupler. After 1954 it was available as an add-on. Since we have no snap coupler implements, only those that came with the original pin hitch and lift mechanism, I wasn't planning on converting to snap coupler at this time. I was wanting to make do with the original drawbar, but because the cross member goes all the way across between the lift arms, the 3 point lift arms would probably hit it on the lower end unless I mount the front pivot up quite high (to get the 3 point down to the recommended 7-8 inches from the ground). |
Sorry, I've looked at that one many times but missed the tiny inset image showing a second version with the snap coupler loop having a tiny pin receiver welded on top. The images on the OKT site are mostly too small for me to read without a magnifying glass. But I also may have not looked too hard because it says "light duty" and does not look to me to be well designed/made. "light duty" would mean category 0 to me. It's hard for me to tell without dimensions, but it appears to have very narrow spacing of the cat 0 version. It does say cat 1 on the OKT site. Another thing is the arms appear to be fixed width. They're supposed to swing a little (maybe one swings and one doesnt). I'm no expert in 3 point design, but at this point, I'm not liking that one. Maybe I could be talked into it.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 4:25pm |
TomC wrote:
I have a 52 CA it has a Cross Manufacturing 3 point on it, it hooks right to the snap coupler on the tractor, the top link hook up is two metal pieces welded to the rock shaft.Cross is out of Mindenmine Missouri,not sure I spelled that town right, |
Yes, but the 1952 did not come with a snap coupler. After 1954 it was available as an add-on. Since we have no snap coupler implements, only those that came with the original pin hitch and lift mechanism, I wasn't planning on converting to snap coupler at this time. I was wanting to make do with the original drawbar, but because the cross member goes all the way across between the lift arms, the 3 point lift arms would probably hit it on the lower end unless I mount the front pivot up quite high (to get the 3 point down to the recommended 7-8 inches from the ground).
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 2:33pm |
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I have a 52 CA it has a Cross Manufacturing 3 point on it, it hooks right to the snap coupler on the tractor, the top link hook up is two metal pieces welded to the rock shaft.Cross is out of Mindenmine Missouri,not sure I spelled that town right,
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:50am |
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does the engine bar over ? what was in the oil pan ? are you going to rebuild , pull head and clean, or just fill jugs and let them soak to loosen things up ? |
Engine is locked. Brother has not decided yet. He was the last one to put new sleeves in it, so he's familiar with its issues. He's researching and thinking it over. He originally thought he would soak it for awhile, may still do that.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:37am |
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does the engine bar over ? what was in the oil pan ? are you going to rebuild , pull head and clean, or just fill jugs and let them soak to loosen things up ?
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:04am |
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Looks like he sent some duplicates or near duplicates.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2023 at 9:03am |
Borescope pics, some ok, some not so ok. Not the best image resolution.
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:44am |
couple more photos..... several ways to get there from here... just need to decide..some designs are STRONGER than other.. some are for a bushog and others stiff enough to pull a 10 ft disc..
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:41am |
steve(ill) wrote:
Gary... you got to look at what you have and what you want... Presently your upper arms are DOWN and the drawbar is connected between them..... for a 3 point, you need to anchor "something" under the axle to pin the lower arms to it.... The "anchor" is normally the bail area, or modified pin in that area..... You can also buy 3 points that attach to a crossbar between the final drive cases... like a C or B maybe ? |
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:40am |
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Gary... you got to look at what you have and what you want... Presently your upper arms are DOWN and the drawbar is connected between them..... for a 3 point, you need to anchor "something" under the axle to pin the lower arms to it.... The "anchor" is normally the bail area, or modified pin in that area..... You can also buy 3 points that attach to a crossbar between the final drive cases... like a C or B maybe ?
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:34am |
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am I looking at that right looks like it has a three point on the rear you sure that is'nt a ca |
Older CA, the lift arms run down like that, but you can put a 3ph on one, I have two CA's and I put a 3ph on one to use a finish mower on. |
I searched Steiner and several other places and they all said there was nothing specific to the CA (and probably more so the pre 1954 CA). If you know otherwise, I'd like to know where to get it or what mods are needed. I think I have a suitable mod in mind, if there is enough clearance behind the rockshaft.
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:32am |
if you want to "make your own"..... the bar under the rear axle looks like a standard drawbar you can buy at TSC... and the two lower arms are just aftermarket arms, also available at TSC ........ then just add a couple stabalizers.
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:31am |
steve(ill) wrote:
look at the photo in the second post below...
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That's the snap coupler draw bar. The pin hitch drawbar attaches to the lift arms, so I either have to first convert to snap coupler or I have to figure out a way to detach the pin hitch drawbar from the lift arms and attach to the rockshaft via split bearings or other custom mount.
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:29am |
you cqn also rig up something like this
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:26am |
look at the photo in the second post below...
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:20am |
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am I looking at that right looks like it has a three point on the rear you sure that is'nt a ca |
Older CA, the lift arms run down like that, but you can put a 3ph on one, I have two CA's and I put a 3ph on one to use a finish mower on.
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 9:12am |
steve(ill) wrote:
it WILL LIVE AGAIN IF I HAVE TO WITHDRAW EVERY LAST PENNY
Joint the CLUB... to be a MEMBER, you have to spend TWICE a much on the tractor as it will be worth in the end !! ............. Its not about the money ! |
I'm already well above that amount :(
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