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Tbone95
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Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 7:13am |
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Strike ended, deal ratified 61% to 39%. Gotta wonder what those 39% wanted!
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Tbone95
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There's putz operators and putz managers. As there are good operators and good managers. Just depends on who's grouped together where on what shift for what gets done for productivity.
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Tbone95
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John Deere made it's most recent offer public, I saw it on Farms.com Looks pretty darn good to me. COLA every 3 months? Wow, worried about inflation much? Awesome healthcare, big bumps to retirement, scheduled wage increases and scheduled lump sum payments. Vote is Wednesday.
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victoryallis
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Company I work is very close to 50/50 union/salaried. Amazing part is we run around the clock and very easily can run a long weekend with out one of them stepping foot in the plant. When COVID first hit and work from home was the big thing one of the salary gems got cau” working from home” on the golf course and another time camping. Truth be told the plants run better and more tons get produced when it’s just us hourly folk around.
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29736 |
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My previous employer had top heavy management, excused as to "Necessary to maintain a watchful eye of the Union Membership" as to screwing off or not performing duties that really did not exist. Was in essence buddies employing buddies to make the most money from the corporation, so called "Golden Children" of Management. Had a VP of Nuclear, a Chief Operation Officer, a Corporate Nuclear Officer, a Department head for every sub section Department the managers could concoct(Last count was 67), Plant Operation Senior Officer, Plant Operations Senior Manager, then had Superintendents, First Line Supervisors, On Line Supervisors, Efficiency Consultants, Working Foremen, Work Package Consultants, Work Package Adjusting personnel, Work Package Alignment Personnel and then the Union Technicians as Electrician or Welder or Mechanic. That along with QC Inspectors watching every operation FULL TIME with same level of Sub Management.
Of 720+ plant employees, 145 were Union, Including Operations personnel, Store rooms and Clerical Staffs. I seldom saw the Managers in plant.
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victoryallis
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Amen |
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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FREEDGUY
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In my previous "horror story" reply, there's a REASON why a box of KELLOGS CORN FLAKES costs what it does
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DMiller
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Actual labor costs are a fraction of overall expenses in manufacturing, worked Union and Non, benefits were bargained for to keep skills at the Union facilities, non union shops tended to be close to slave labor markets where the politically correct butt kissers got raises behind closed doors and those that kept the machines moving took it on the chin moving on after honing skills, 99% of those facilities closed in under ten years due to quality issues.
There is far more to machinery costs than Union labor, CEOs earning 400 times the average wage, followed by COO, CFO, boards of directors getting stock shares in the millions of dollars face value for their expertise in upper managerial wisdom. Then the point much of the production is from overseas being assembled here to sate the Fed as to ‘manufacturing’ here to bury profits into offshore funds. Lots more to it than ‘Union is bad’ thinking. |
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victoryallis
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The reason it’s so overpriced is because they charge what the market will bear.
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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DaveKamp
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In 1978, there was Farmall in Rock Island, IH in East Moline... and three other Deere facilities in Moline, East Moline, and Silvis. In Bettendorf, there was JI Case. In north Davenport, JI CASE. All of these plants were within a 7 mile radius. Also within same radius, was over 400 small manufacturers, and 1000 supplier facilities (bearing companies, hydraulic, electrical, and mechanical suppliers, etc)... and a workforce of over 40,000 union employees. By 1984, all those manufacturing facilities were totally shut down, and over half the small businesses were gone. I walked through the Rock Island Farmall plant in 1990... the old brick walls were painted white, and every 20 feet, were exquisite paintings of each red tractor they'd manufactured, along with signatures of the names of the workers who built those machines. None of those walls still stand. The huge IH facility on the upper end of Ben Butterworth Parkway was emptied and flattened, now there's a hotel out there. If they choose to be foolish, there's nothing anyone else can do about it, but most of my school classmates whose parents were proud to sit out on the line, wound up moving away, hoping to find opportunity elsewhere.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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FREEDGUY
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You guys would not believe the HORROR stories from a former "FOREMAN" of a non-union project company that had to basically "BEND OVER" and smile .
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plummerscarin
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Similar story from my dad and several others I knew who had worked at FMC
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HD6GTOM
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When I owned my tire shop I had a good customer go to work at the JD plant in Ankeny. He grew up on a farm and worked on 1 for several years before wanting a job inside out of the rain and snow. He started and went to work building combines, etc. He almost quit several times. He couldn't stand the slow pace of working there. He said those guys could turn out 3 times the number of combines if they'd get off their butts and actually do some work. I am not running down unions. Just stating what a hard working farm kid told me. One of several reasons their stuff is so over priced.
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Tbone95
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Right, and multiplied over millions of vehicles. That's why I don't buy the version of things about higher tech chips. I
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jaybmiller
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For the most part, the microchips are NOT a 'service ' problem. The chunk of silicon inside some epoxy is an extremely robust, reliable component. I've got 35 year old (1983ish) laptops and they still function fine... The biggest problems with 'computerz in cars' are 1) wire and connectors and 2) LOUSY programming. re: 1..wife's Nissan would both NOT start using remote AND if running, you could remove key(yeah it NEEDS a real key), then you could DRIVE it ! After several trips to dealer,they FINALLY removed/reinstalled the remote starter 'computer' AFTER I TOLD them why it was failing and how to fix it re: 2.chips are cheap so programmers code 'bloatware'...excessively complicated code, taking up lots of space, and they never do any actual testing ,in the car, in real world conditions( works on paper...so it has to work.....) CANbus, the communications protocol in today's vehicles, is TERRIBLY complex so LOTS can go wrong, and a NIGHTMARE to troubleshoot. Course they don't, they just replace this box, that box,...there it works, that'll be $5K please..... If you think it's bad now, just wait until the 'human presense detection' computer s get added. These scan and record who is sitting it which seat to 'help' with safety..... That tech( internal laser scanners, 3D bloatware) is really scary....totally not needed but....'gotta have it'....
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WF owner
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The average new vehicle has about 50 semiconductors, or microchips. More options, more microchips.
The service manager to me that my truck (2021 Ford F-350 Platinum diesel) has about 140 (+/-) microchips.
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Tbone95
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That too.
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steve(ill)
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all "new" electronics goes thru a test procedure to see how long it will last... Maybe they are shooting for 99.9% life...failure rate ( 1 in 1000) after 3-4 years of use.. That would be good for a computer / cell phone........... Not so good for cars out in the weather... They need 99.999% for 10- 15 years .... Some of the "new" stuff might not be high enough quality to meet AUTO/ Air Craft needs........... dont know, but i HEARD that.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Tbone95
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Maybe this is right, but it sounds wrong to me. In "normal" times (whatever the heck that is), millions of vehicles per year are sold. "As goes automotive, as goes the manufacturing economy" they say. Seems a strong enough market to command a presence, regardless of what vintage they want.
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JLS retired
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heard a podcast other day said chip shortage is car makers using (relativly) old tech and chip makers R all after the newest and fastest (and more profitable) chips. Old lines are dropped, manufacturing facilities are changed to newer stuff, and dinosaur car makers are stuck. Said newer outfits like Tesla and some I never heard of before don't seem to have any problems because they have jumped on the latest cpu equipment. P S New green equip coming from JD s europe plants are too big for containers, comes over on roll on/roll off ships.
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Thad in AR.
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Just recently took a trip through 8 southern states.
They all have a shortage of trucks. You couldn’t see the ports for the stacked up containers. |
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steve(ill)
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I think a lot of them on are the 150 floating cargo ships off the coast of LA !!
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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shameless dude
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there's no shortage of trucks in my area. dealers have just as many as they always carry. maybe they are shuffling them around more than usual to their other stores?
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Thad in AR.
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I wonder where they’re hiding all those tractors and trucks?
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shameless dude
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most all the shortages from all over is copy cats trying to get people to buy impulsivly, many stores have product in the back rooms or in on site conex boxes...they are betting that when they do put to product on the shelves...it will sell really fast! and of course the stuff that is still on the shelves is stuff that's hard to sell when other like stuff is out there. hopefully a sales ploy that will burn their a$$'s off! i know when a store does that to me...i just won't buy the items, i'll make other arrangements. others around here are following suit. there are other places to buys things. an area store has put alot of their product in the back rooms...filling them...in hopes as i described above, and another local person contacted the fire marshal, he did a walk thru and told them to stock their empty shelves with the product or he'll close the store! the store is still open, the shelves are full, wow...where's the shortage they were talking about? the big company semis are not just out driving around for something to do. alot of big stores are getting 2-3 semi loads of items everyday. maybe if ya'll would tip off your state fire marshal...things might change, he don't hafta make an appointment! sure worked in our town! there are senerios all over and some places are strapped for parts or supplies...but not all of them. i could go on and on...but most of you will get the picture!
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DaveKamp
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There's lots of families down in Menterey, Torreon, and Horizontina that are all hoping the union votes everything down. They've got people, space, and capacity to pick it all up.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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plummerscarin
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Two weeks and counting on starter rebuild for M3. Also saying parts hard to get
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Thad in AR.
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Joe, TSC would have been 50 miles in the opposite direction. I was 25 miles East to get the o-rings and TSC is 25 miles north west of home.
I found what I needed at a convenience store. Not gonna mention what I gave per quart. Still with gas at $3.00 + per gallon and time lost. I figured it was worth it to get my project done. |
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desertjoe
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Hey Thad,,,did you try TSC,,,? I seen some Rotella at the local TSC bout a week ago,,,, I also been waiting on some parts for the Ferguson project from Yesterday's Tractors going on two months now and all I get when calling is,,,,,"They're on the way",,,PFfffttt!!!!!
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Thad in AR.
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I ordered some o-rings from Newholland. The parts guy said let me call you back.
He called back and said they would have them Friday afternoon. I went in yesterday. I noticed they only have 2 tractors 🚜 n the whole lot. Big tractors. Even the equipment was scarce. The parts guy told me the only reason I got the o-rings is because a sister dealer had them on n the shelf. They can’t get small tractors and can’t get any parts whatsoever. Bud fluid was too much $75.00 per 5 gallons, so I went to the local oil supply. Guy at the oil supply says they can’t get Rotella. No one around here has Rotella |
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