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ovlovwd45
Bronze Level Joined: 16 May 2021 Location: Illinois Points: 26 |
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I removed the starter and bench tested it. Seems that it spins but doesn't spring forward to engage the flywheel. I can manually move the little gear forward with my fingers but that's it. I ended up buying a used one on ebay for the time being.
I replaced 99.9% of the tractors wiring. Now just waiting on parts to arrive.
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ovlovwd45
Bronze Level Joined: 16 May 2021 Location: Illinois Points: 26 |
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I'm hoping I haven't done damage to the starter already. It's possible I have. I also suspect the much of the wiring is damaged and corroded. That I came along and started probing the brittle wiring with a DMM probably hasn't helped my cause. I have more than enough wiring to rebuild the harness the way it's put together right now. My dad actually worked in the electronics/radio/TV repair business most of his professional life, so I'm going to assume he knew what he was doing when he rewired it.
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ovlovwd45
Bronze Level Joined: 16 May 2021 Location: Illinois Points: 26 |
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Looking at old e-mails between my dad and Steiner, they came up with Marvel TSX464 as the replacement. My dad was incorrectly referring to the tractor as a WD-45 in the e-mails, but is it possible the WD had its engine swapped at some point? I don't know why he thought it was a WD-45. Steiner also chose the TSX464 based on the photos they were sent of the Zenith carburetor that was on it. I was not able to rebuild the Zenith. Strangely, I actually do have some experience successfully rebuilding Zenith carbs since I have some other antique equipment running them. The Zenith carb that came off the WD just had too much damaged metal. It's no wonder it leaked fuel.
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11565 |
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The popular Carburetor that came on the WD,WC & WF 201 engine was the 9707 series Zenith. The popular Carburetor that came on the WD45 was the Marvel Schebler TSX464.
Easy way to ID the WD 201 engine is the plate on the side of the engine. The 226 engine didn't have the plate. If you need a wiring system, we can help ya out with a 6V system. Thanks Curt for the referral. Our systems come in kit form. If interested check out our website. Sorry to hear bout' yer' Dad. Best part of this is you got a family aireloom. Grandad, Dad, and now you. I think that's great! Good luck! You'll get the ole' girl running again. There's lottsa' help & support here on the forum! Steve@B&B bb-customcircuits.com
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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Aaron123
Bronze Level Joined: 14 Apr 2020 Location: Monroe WI Points: 82 |
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The little bracket that the pin goes through for the float was not straight on my wd45 I probably had it apart 18 times polishing the valve seat and trying different things befor I figured out that that bracket needed to be straighten out. It is riveted on and I took the valve seat out to get it out of the way and took a flat head screw driver put it up against it and take the handle of another screw driver like a hammer and hit the handles together to straighten it out after I did that everything sealed up nicely no more gas coming out intake
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LionelinKY
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Radcliff,KY Points: 695 |
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Leaking gas out of the carb air intake tube is a classic sign that the float in the carb is either set incorrectly or stuck in the open position. Being that it is new, I would hope that maybe it is just a little gummed up from sitting around before you bought it. Some fresh gas through it ought to take care of that. If it continues to leak after a while, then you will need to pull it back off to take apart and reset the float.
Go easy on the starter. Short bursts only with a few minutes rest in between or they will heat up quite quickly as you have discovered. Once hot, they will crank much slower plus you risk doing irreparable damage and will then have to get it rebuilt too. Good Luck!
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"My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic"
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8168 |
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ovlovwd45,
Welcome to the Forum! Sorry your Dad is not there with you. He would be proud your continuing on with the WD. I grew up on them as a kid on the farm. The operator not the mechanic. Heck we just put oil and gas in them and took them out and worked them. If I can help let me know. I brought home my Dad and Mom's WD that looked about like that too. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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ovlovwd45
Bronze Level Joined: 16 May 2021 Location: Illinois Points: 26 |
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I got to the point I could try start the WD. The starter would only turn the motor intermittently and didn't sound happy about doing so. I decided to replace the starter switch. This did seem to initially resolve the issue (cranked over normally) but then the starter started smoking and the battery cable got hot. Now it's back intermittent operation.
It looks like the tractor wired to be negative ground at some point. I sanded all of those connections. I guess I just need to replace all the wiring at this point so I'm not guessing. As far as I can tell, there's also no spark. The new Marvel carburetor I got from Steiner appeared to leak gas out of the intake as soon as it was hooked up. I assume this is not normal?
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4419 |
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WD's (and many other AC models) came with either a Zenith or Marvel-Schebler carburetor. If yours is no good, used replacements are easy to find.
Does your WD have a magneto or distributor? Either one should be easy to find (or make) a wiring harness for. If you are thinking of converting it to 12 volt, I would do that before buying a wire harness. Steve Barbato (Home (bb-customcircuits.com) ) is a member here. He has a lot of good information in his website. Steve is the go-to guy for anything electrical for an AC tractor.
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ovlovwd45
Bronze Level Joined: 16 May 2021 Location: Illinois Points: 26 |
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It has a straight shfiter, so it is a WD. Thanks for the correction. I don't know why I always thought it was a WD-45. I have a stack of manuals for it and the implements. I'm guessing the implements all need TLC since my dad wasn't good at maintaining things. I cleaned the tank chemically and then applied red-kote fuel tank liner to the inside. I'm not sure I really needed to apply the liner. There was a fine layer of dust inside the tank but I didn't see much corrosion. The tank was at least stored dry with everything sealed up.
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Driverdan
Bronze Level Joined: 21 Feb 2015 Location: Owego,NY Points: 156 |
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Sorry to hear your father has passed. I am sure you would have enjoyed resurecting the Allis with him. I have both the WD45's my father bought in the 1950's, but I had the advantage of operating them, and working on them for 60 years. Good luck on your project!
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4419 |
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My advice would be to buy an owners manual for it. Is it a WD or WD45 (the decal says WD) ? If it has a straight shift lever it is a WD, although late 53 WD had the curved shifter.
There are various ways to clean the fuel tank. Starting with a pressure washer is usually good. After that, you need to decide if you are going to clean it mechanically or chemically. After you get it clean, you should coat it with a coating made for a fuel tank. I have used a kit from Eastwood with good success.
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ovlovwd45
Bronze Level Joined: 16 May 2021 Location: Illinois Points: 26 |
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Sadly, I recently inherited my dads WD-45. My dad inherited it from his dad. My dad and I had been slowly working together to get it up and running again. I now regret that things were progressing so slowly.
Part of the slowness was trying to figure out what carburetor was supposed to be on it. Steiner tractor parts helped us figure that out. The Zenith carb mounted on it had cracks in multiple areas and was leaking fuel. That's why it got parked in the first place. I know my dad believed the gas tank needed to be cleaned out. The tractor had been stored inside so it really didn't look that crusty in the tank to me. I did decide to clean it out and apply fuel tank liner to it just in case. I have verified the engine will turn over. There is power to the starter. I have not made any attempt to start it yet. It's going to get an oil change before I get that far. If I get it running and moving it's going to get a new wiring harness shortly after that. It looks like a really simply wiring harness to replicate. It obviously needs to get hit with a pressure washer. I know it's going to need new tires. We're getting it running so we could use it. There was no intention to do a full restoration. I'll need to figure out how to operate it since I was never shown. Maybe this was meant to be since I'm not a stranger to orange machines. |
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