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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I cleaned out the gas tank but not the sediment bowl. I also I kno wI dont have much gas right now
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Jim.ME
Orange Level Joined: 19 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 937 |
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Yes, it is possible for a gas line to be plugged. A quick check is to take a quart jar or such to catch gas in, and remove the drain plug from the bottom of the carburetor bowl and see how much gas you catch in the jar in two minutes. You should get at least a pint. If it doesn't flow that much in a steady stream you will need to drain the tank and start checking for a blockage. It may be plugged right in the sediment bowl housing above the tank shutoff valve. You have to remove the sediment bowl housing to check and clean it correctly. I have fixed a number that were plugged in that location. Blowing back through the gas line can open it up for as while ( the air can also blow the sediment bowl gasket out), but if the tank is dirty in will plug again.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I got the carburator cleaned 2 weeks ago. I still have to test the compression but could the gass line be clogged
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Stan IL&TN
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elvis Land Points: 6730 |
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If you don't have a compression tester available you can squirt a little gas in each cylinder then install the plugs and try to start it. If it runs for a couple of seconds then you have enough compression for it to run and then I would look at the carburetor next.
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Jim.ME
Orange Level Joined: 19 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 937 |
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I think we have all gotten "bit" at least once, it just part of the territory. Bet you remember pliers or something to give you more insulation next time. At some point you should do the check and look at the spark to check its quality, but for now it tells you what is there works.
I think you will find it easier and get more understanding of the systems if you focus on one thing at a time. Check out the compression next. Once you get that checked out, then work on the fuel. The final seal can come later, it won't affect the engine starting/running.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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He said the final drive seal
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hunter321
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I didn't see a spark but I forgot to use the insulated pliers and got shocked
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4431 |
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As Steve said, try some ATF in the cylinders to loosen things up. A compression gauge would tell you a lot. When you turn it over with a crank, does it seem that each turn takes equal force?
if you have spark, you might want to try a couple different things. You might want to try giving it a shot of starting fluid to see if it tries to start. Have you checked to make sure you are getting good gas flow to the carburetor ? Another alternative is towing it to start it. (Also check to see if it is building oil pressure when it is turning over.)
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Jim.ME
Orange Level Joined: 19 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 937 |
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Does your Grandpa remember which seal?
steve(ill) has a step you will want to try, but I would do the first compression test without putting anything in the cylinders. After that test is done then 3 or 4 squirts of ATF or Marvel Mystery Oil in each cylinder before a retest. The ATF or other oil will add some sealing action and may raise the compression. If the compression in a cylinder doesn't change with the oil, it can be an indication of a valve stuck open. When you do the compression test, have all the spark plugs out, throttle wide open, battery fully charged and keep the charger on it. You want the engine to turn at the same speed and the same number of times as you test each cylinder. Write the results down for later review.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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My grandpa said a seal went bad
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78123 |
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you might put a couple ounces of AFT in each cylinder and let it set a couple days... then see if you have more compression... Rings could be stuck from setting.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Jim.ME
Orange Level Joined: 19 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 937 |
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Ok, sounds like you don't need a coil, you agree?
Compression is made by the mechanical the action of the pistons and valves. Do you have, or can you borrow, a compression test gauge? It is best to actually check compression with a gauge, not guess. A gauge can tell you if there is one of more bad cylinders. After setting 14 years rings or valves could be stuck. There are is a way to get an indication of the problem possibly being rings or valves. So can you get a gauge and do you know how to do a compression test. Do you know why it was parked 14 years ago? |
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I cleaned the points and there is a spark when the engine turns over but is not creating the compression needed to start the tractor
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Jim.ME
Orange Level Joined: 19 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 937 |
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Ok, remember I can not see what you did or what you are seeing. Can you explain what you mean by "the points are working"? Did you check using the flashing test light method to see that they are making and breaking as the engine is cranked over? Fill us in, you are our eyes on this.
Put a plug wire in the coil tower and hook a plug to it. Ground the plug to the engine block and crank the engine over. Do you see a spark at the plug electrodes as the engine is cranking? If you remove the plug, slide the plug boot back and expose the clip that slides on the plug, you should be able to hold that clip about 1/4" from the block and the spark should be bluish white and jump that gap. If it does your coil is ok. Be careful if the insulation on the plug site is bad you could get a shock. Best to hold it with insulated handle pliers, if you have them. Let us know how this goes. |
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hunter321
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I cleaned the points and they are working but the tractor still won't start
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hunter321
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Ok
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Jim.ME
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Yes, you should try cleaning the points and see if they are working properly as the guys have been telling you. The points must be working before you determine you need a coil. The last manual I gave you a link to explains how the points make the coil work to give a spark. Please read through it, so you understand how a distributor ignition system works. The points must be working properly or even a new coil will not work. You may find you need to replace the points, not the coil.
Cheaper is not always the best way to go. You will likely get by with that coil, if you need one. For points and condenser, I recommend Standard brand's "Blue Streak" grade or NAPA Echlin ones. For other ignition parts I use Standard or Echlin. When you have a problem check the books first, gather advise, diagnose and troubleshoot next, buy parts when you know what parts are bad. People have thrown a lot of money in parts at problems, only to find a broken wire or empty gas tank is all it was. JMHO
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hunter321
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so I should clean the points and see if they are opening correctly
https://www.herschelparts.com/aspx/prodDetail.aspx?id=17221 I was trying to find a cheaper coil |
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Jim.ME
Orange Level Joined: 19 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 937 |
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I would not order a coil yet. To me you have not proved the points are working. If the points aren't working it won't make a spark with a new coil either.
With lead on your test light lead grounded and the probe on the coil primary terminal for the wire going to the distributor, crank the engine over. If the points are working, your test light will blink as the points open and close. Are the contact surfaces of the points clean, smooth, and shiny? Or are they dark (maybe kind of bluish colored), rough, and uneven surfaces? If I was going to get a 6 volt coil I would go to NAPA or other parts store and get a 6 volt coil. Your picture doesn't tell anyone exactly what the coil is to properly confirm your choice. Giving the brand and part number and the written description would. It may be 6 volt. The writing on it looks like it was intended for use on a 12 volt system using an external resistor, which was often done with 6 volt coils when vehicles were changing for 6 to 12 volts. Not trying to give you a hard time. its just that sometimes little things can make a difference. The more, and better, info you provide when working through things on a forum, where people can not see what you are looking at helps. You are the eyes for the group. You are doing good, keep at it. There is an International Harvester FOS (Fundamentals Of Service) manual on ignition systems that might help you. It explains a good bit about how the parts of the ignition system work. Their ignition systems are very much like the ACs so the tests and checks will help you. Here is a link to it. http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/Blue%20Ribbon%20Service%20Manuals/FOS-20%20Chapter%206-Ignition%20Circuits/index.html |
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hunter321
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Ok
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Mdguy
Bronze Level Joined: 08 Feb 2020 Location: MD Points: 30 |
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I’d try Napa if there’s 1 close to you. I know they’ll at least look It up for you if it’s not in their computer and usually they have 1 on the shelf. At least the Napa stores around here are like that.
On another note I think it’s great you and your dad are working on this together. May seem like a small thing to you now but this is something you’ll remember the rest of your life. Don’t get frustrated at it not working it’s usually something simple. Good advice on here so far. Check/clean or replace points and condenser and/or change coil. Once you know that’s all good if still not firing work way up to plugs and wires. My 2 cents worth |
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I was going to order this
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78123 |
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If you get a new coil, make sure you tell them it is a 6 volt SYSTEM... Dont use a 12v coil.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78123 |
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If you replace the coil, the point and the condenser, you should be in good shape... If you want to try the coil only, that is a good first step, but drag some fine sand paper or etc thru the point faces to make sure there is no CORROSION on the faces.. Setting for 14 years is almost 100% guarantee of some contamination on the faces.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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So I should get a new coil
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hunter321
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Me and my dad think it is the coil or the distributor or the
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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The tractor has not started in at least 14 years
It just wont start |
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78123 |
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Now that you say it is 6 volts, that makes me question the coil... It may be VERY OLD ? Still need to check the point for clean first.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78123 |
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YES.... my bad........ If you have 6 volts into the coil, and 6 volts out of the coil to the POINT, then that is good... and the point is OPEN... try to short out the point ( clean contact facts) and CLOSE the point to see if you loose the 6 volt on the small wire TO the point. ............. again, there is no way to say 100% exactly what is wrong.. Your close.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Should I have 6 volts because it is a 6 volt system
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