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    Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 5:05pm
Can someone tell me the original application for this engine?
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I have never had any "catalog" book for AC engines to tell me the year of build or what the application was.  There's orange paint on it, so that leads me to think it's NOT construction. A picture of both sides of the engine would be very helpful. A casting date on the block or cylinder head would indicate the possible year built.
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If you look in the parts book for a 180 or 190 it will give the part number/catalog number for the complete engine, and this number is it. It's difficult to reverse search though. I don't think that info is on the agco parts books though, it's in the older paper parts books.
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This engine is in a 64 190. Obviously its a later block but I wasn't sure if it came from another 190 or a 180. To me it has a little different tone from what I remember a straight 190 having. It seems to be too quiet,not as much rattle or knock. Is there a difference in pump timing between a 180 and 190 pump?
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Older non-timing advance engines are quieter and I don't think they have as much sleeve Oring problems either.  180 timed at 22 degrees and 190 was 26 or 28 degrees….
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 It might be a non tractor engine it could be from a combine. All of the West Allis (tractor) engines were painted a buff green. It looks like a very flat pea soup green. The combine (Independence) engines only got the orange paint on them. If it's a combine engine you'll only find a coating of red oxide paint under the orange. Scrap off some of the orange paint and look to see if there is a base color. All of the West Allis engines were painted a "buff green" color. If you find that then it was a West Allis (tractor) engine.
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Many/most combine engines had a timing cover/front plate shaped so there was no way a hydraulic pump could ever be installed.
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grinder220...In following Ed's comment, the older pre 1975 book versions may be more apt to have that info....Dale
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