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Lonn
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nick121
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I would say corn it's running out of cleaning capacity is an issue same as wheat. Beans it's hp shortage grinding through tough stems.
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GM Guy
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We have a Mexican L2, Air conditioning and hydro, its a corn/soybean special and doesnt have a heater, imagine that. :) 301 engine. Tan interior,but a different foam/vinyl, and the seat is the same a L.
Much better rear deck, heavier and has a little added support. fit and finish is relatively poor, mixture of rivets, Dad got to speak with the original owner, who bought it from Schmidt and sons in KS, IIRC save 20 grand over a US model. major hyd. problems, assumed tank wasnt cleaned after drilling and welding fittings. Schmidt stepped up and tore everything down and cleaned it up, put it back together, no issues after that. He traded it for a US model a few years later. Its SN 008. Ill try to add pics when I get time. |
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JoeO(CMO)
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CrestonM
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That is neat to know, Tim. Your stories and wealth of knowledge never disappoint!
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gleaner1
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The plant is still in business although a slight name change.
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tbran
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3248 |
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AC -Deutz Allis or Agco - timeline overlaps - had no way to control or obtain a security interest in a product that bore a name owned by them. There were several forces at work. The company from AC to DA to the formation of AGCO had a export sales force that may have had something to do with the allowing of the L4 to be - but that cannot be substantiated by anyone I could find - just rumors. The poor credit came from a reliable source. As long as the machines were in Mexico there was nothing Agco could do - but when they crossed over into the US violation of trademarks and patents came into play but the young Agco had not an abundance of cash for legal battles..
The best I can remember one of the Agco execs was adamantly opposed to , as stated, the L4 Corp. Took some time for him to win.
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CrestonM
Orange Level Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8357 |
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Very interesting! My 1991 brochure (Probably the same as Lonn's) calls the company "The L4 Corporation". It says the factory in Mexico was a former joint venture partner with A-C, but at the time of the L4 was totally Mexican owned, and they had 10 years experience in manufacturing L3 combines (but 1991-1983 = 8 ?) Anyway, it says they had the tooling and license rights for the L series combine. Having license rights would legally allow them to manufacture the L-series combine, right? So if I correctly interpreted what Tim said, this "L4 Corporation" was buying parts to build the machines from Duetz, but didn't pay for them, they lost their credit, and went under? Also...what is a security filing? |
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FREEDGUY
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Thanks for that reply farmboy . Like I mentioned, I've never ran wheat . Is the amount of "straw" a limiting factor as far as capacity ?
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Lonn
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My sales brochure for the L4 is dated either 1990 or 1991 so they must have made them at least that long. Found a sales brochure on line just now that is dated 1991. Edited by Lonn - 11 Aug 2020 at 1:49pm |
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tbran
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1. it was Gleaner - used the threshing grate /accel rolls etc.
2. After talking to a few old hands I remember the demise of the L4 - seems they didn't pay for the parts.... and Deutz Allis didn't have security filing on the the units produced. Thus credit was the demise... remember it was the '80's... Also the C62 was sold mainly in Canada - had a friend who was a dealer - really pitched a fit when they were discontinued. They had some initial belt seal issues but searching the service bulletins finds they were pretty update , trouble free.
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Lonn
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I'm almost positive Massey had nothing to do with the C62 other than it was sold in red. It's all Gleaner. Even where the cylinder is located is like the natural flow rotor location. I don't see a thing about it that looks like it came from a Massey.
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Calvin Schmidt
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4515 |
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If I remember correctly the C62 was basically a M-F and as the Doc said a lot of other Gleaner parts.
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DrAllis
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Gleaner design that utilized many R-62 parts as well.
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Lonn
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SteveM C/IL
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From what I remember on Gleaner forum,the C62 is a Walker machine with a rubber belt under Walkers instead of shaker pan like M-L. Was not a Gleaner design. Massy?
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CrestonM
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I’m not sure it is...it has “Allis-Chalmers” on the cab and the Cummins emblem under the L4 on the bin. The one in the video doesn’t have either of those characteristics. |
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VAfarmboy
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Years ago I got into some 80-100 bushel wheat with dad's old Deere 4400 with a 13' header once and the biggest problem was elevator capacity. It was just more wheat than that machine (designed when 40 bushels of wheat was a bumper crop) could handle.
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Lonn
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From what I understand the C62 was a shelved design by Gleaner, maybe under Allis Chalmers and then it was revived and produced under AGCO. I'd guess an R62 could do almost anything a C62 could but do it better with proably the exception of Canola........ purely a guess on my part gleaned from lots of reading about each machine. I have no experience with the C62 or canola. Seemed the C62 was mostly sold in wheat country but I'm sure some went into the corn belt. I say that based on seeing them for sale in wheat country and never having seen any for sale in my area of the corn belt.
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FREEDGUY
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Calvin, or others, seems like Gleaner put out a C 62 ?? Was this primarily for wheat growers or did "row croppers" utilize them ?
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FREEDGUY
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Thanks.
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Calvin Schmidt
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Combine capacity in wheat is more about cleaning capacity. Corn it's power
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Calvin Schmidt
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He are a few pictures from 2010 when the farmer had it for sale only a few miles from the current owner. I assume it is the same combine.
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FREEDGUY
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I've never had the opportunity to run wheat, does it take a lot of power to run wheat being clipped 4-5 inches down from the heads ? We run a 15' header on an F2 in 60 bushel beans, but perhaps this is not a fair comparison . Thanks again for all of your replies !!
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Calvin Schmidt
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Narrow head could be for baling straw but 100 bu wheat is also common around here . The dealer also has a combine salvage yard so could have been what was available with a straight cut. 10 years ago it had a pickup for windrows
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FREEDGUY
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Thanks for your reply Calvin. Is the reason for the narrow header to make a "baleable" windrow behind the combine ?
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CrestonM
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I've heard about the Mexican built L2s, but have not seen a photo of one with the straight glass. That's something else I think would be neat to see.
My custom harvest boss said the N6s they had also had aluminum rivets in them, and they had to replace them with steel rivets when they shook loose. |
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Calvin Schmidt
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4515 |
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I have seen the L4 in the video in person about ten years ago when it was for sale by a farmer very close to Shantz Equipment. It originally came from Saskatchewan. The owner is driving. A former A-C dealer now Agco and strong with Gleaner
I'm about 20 minutes south of the dealership.
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Lonn
Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29773 |
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Now I'd like to see a video of the all green gleaner R50. I sat in one a few years ago. Ugly but rare to see one. I bet there are more L4 gleaners than all green R50 combines.
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Lonn
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My sales brochure shows curved glass and grey interior. I thought I read they had heavier sheet metal and main shaft and that they were only available as wheat machines. Let me go take a look.....................
The brochure says air conditioning was standard equipment. Also hydrostatic transmission was standard equipment. It lists as improvements over the L3: Cummins 5.9, Heavier finals, heavier and reinforced rear axle and spindles, heavier front axle assembly, heavier gauged steel thresher housing assembly, heavier rear deck and ladder, 100% heavier main threshing clutch shaft, heavier engine drive.
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