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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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Can a F2 with a swivel unload auger be unloaded on the go? If the tube isn't emptied, can it be "rolled" back int the saddle without damage? Seems like I read it's NOT a good idea to leave the tube out all of the time either, is there truth to that ? Thanks
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8646 |
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It wasn't made for that. Do what you want but I think you'll regret it. How much time are you saving?
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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With all the custom operators that ran L’s, I’d think they’d be designed to unload on the go?
I think if you did the math it would save you quite a bit of time in the end. They taught us in a farm management class how to calculate all that, but I’d have to sit down and think about the formulas. I’ve seen plenty of M/L machines unloading on the go over the years. I wouldn’t think it would be good to fold it back in while full, just empty the bin while you’re cutting, then fold back. I’m sure some others with more knowledge/experience than me will know. |
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Rhoadesy_65 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jul 2019 Location: Versailles, OH Points: 162 |
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I would not leave the auger full when you put it down. My uncle did that on his M2 two years a go and it couldnt get it back up. He broke something but i cant remember what at this point. That combine was never a very reliable machine the 3 years we used it.
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Michael V (NM) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NM Points: 2476 |
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I unloaded on the go a lot with my L3, never had any problems, I have folded it loaded,but I sure tried not to do that much, better folded in the cradle than hangin out there full. I think unloading on the go is talked about in the owners manual
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Brian F(IL) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paxton, IL Points: 2718 |
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I'm not saying do it or don't do it. But, I remember Dad having to fix one once out in the field as it was laying on the ground. Had to drive the loader tractor from the shop out to the customer's farm. Can't remember if it was an L or M combine. Heck, the guy might have hit a pole... I just can't remember anything other than the unloading auger laying on the ground.
But, I only remember having to do that once. I think I'm with Michael. If you do it, don't do it often loaded.
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4752 |
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I am sure it is better to empty the augar before folding it. But have folded a full augar many, many times with the MH2's. With the hills and all never unloaded on the go,but when the truck is full its full. You put in what it holds and if another has not got back to the field we never sat and waited you folded it in and cut until it was full again.
I do remember waiting for a truck for a long time and then going to fold out the augar ![]() That is also the only time I can think of that there was a problem with the folding of the unloader.
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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I’m not dismissing your theory, but after a lot of in/out cycles, the swivel wears, the ball bearings drop out, and the auger can fall off. I’ve never had it happen, but I know several people it’s happened to. |
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 5142 |
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Creston: Ask you farm management teacher if that factors in the cost if the $100,000 big tractor and $50,000 + grain cart along with the extra operator, as opposed to just the truck setting at the edge of the field. |
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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Michael V (NM) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NM Points: 2476 |
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Unloading on the go is pretty much the norm around here, if the combine stopped to unload every time the bin is full, there is a lot of time spent, in 250+BPA corn, the combine bin is unloaded A LOT, and when it's full, its not always convenient to drive to the truck to dump.
The main thing is,to keep that combine moving,and harvesting, hence, unloading on the go... |
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HoughMade ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2017 Location: Valparaiso, IN Points: 709 |
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There may be a BPA/total acreage/additional equipment/additional personnel point where unloading on the go is not worth it....but given that modern farming is all about running the numbers, I have to believe that the people who do it, do it for a reason.
[edit] Oh, and I forgot timing related to how much time is available to harvest given conditions such as weather- it's not an everlasting window of time. Edited by HoughMade - 24 Oct 2019 at 2:35pm |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12225 |
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Actually, to think a college level farm management class would NOT think to include equipment costs in the calculation is.......
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12225 |
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Well, sure! But an F2 isn't exactly a modern combine ideal for 250 BPA corn, and is it built for it....seems some have some doubt.
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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Oh yes...if you knew all the figures we had to run to arrive at those answers and many others like that, you’d be surprised. We’d take our “barn of equipment”, figure the year built/hours on each machine, depreciate it to the current year to get current values, do feasibility equations to determine what’s the most fitting operation choice/style, number of employees to have, etc. for a farm’s operating budget. As far as unloading on the go, we’d figure the acres/hour combined, figure the average travel time to the truck, unloading time, then time deadheading back. Take that whole time frame, figure the amount of ground that could’ve been covered cutting. Then take the average bpa to figure how often you unload, and multiply that by the time deadheading and unloading. There’s a lot to it, but that’s the short and sweet. Edited by CrestonM - 24 Oct 2019 at 7:14pm |
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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Michael runs an ‘84 L3 I believe, which isn’t much more modern than an F2. |
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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Don't recall saying that we were going to unload-on-the go, just asked if can be done. I see pictures of larger machines with the basically same auger swivel unloading tube and I would bet they don't stop to empty the tube/tank in the middle of the field? Like I said, just asking. After a poster mentioned he/she thinks the issue is addressed in the O/M, I will delve into it this weekend.
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JimWenigOH ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NC Ohio Points: 1192 |
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In my K2 Op Manual it says ;
" NOTE: DO NOT operate in the field with the unloading tube extended except during actual time it is being operated to unload grain on the move." " NOTE: DO NOT operate combine in the field with the unloading conveyor tube out of its support saddle except when actually unloading the grain bin."
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8646 |
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I think the material on F2's is marginal for strength that's why I say no
Later,bigger machines are built with unloading on the go in mind. Just my opinion. |
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bigal121892 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Location: Nebraska Points: 813 |
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You would need two trucks, one setting at each end of the field. Then there is the issue of not being able to make it to the end, so now you have to back out, drive around the uncut rows, go dump, then come back, and finish those rows, dump again, then start combining to the other end, and start the whole process over, not to mention the time spent dumping. Yes it pays.
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cwhit ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Sigel IL Points: 995 |
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Tho not an F or L or M, here’s some ballpark numbers for you to chew on from an R62.
6 row head in a corn field 1/4 mile rows( minus end rows) running 4mph in 190 bpa , it takes me right at 2 minutes to unload on the end of the field. To make one pass, takes me 2 min. 30 seconds. I unload on the go at 3.5 mph. Time saved adds up in a hurry. But I don’t think I would do it with a 30 plus year old machine. |
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Michael V (NM) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NM Points: 2476 |
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Big al wrote: You would need two trucks, one setting at each end of the field. Then there is the issue of not being able to make it to the end, so now you have to back out, drive around the uncut rows, go dump, then come back, and finish those rows, dump again, then start combining to the other end, and start the whole process over, not to mention the time spent dumping. Yes it pays.Edited by Michael V (NM) - 24 Oct 2019 at 7:36pm |
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wekracer ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Location: Tebbetts, MO Points: 1590 |
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I deal with this all the time. Last couple weeks I have been struggling to get 20 acres a day with the L2 and run trucks. That includes leaving a full truck at the elevator that evening to dump first thing in the morning. I also work in town so 1/2 day puts me at 10:30. The neighbor doesn’t like trucking so yesterday he was running the L2. I was trucking and running the F3 between loads and we cut 40 acres. From 1 to dark. Was a good day. |
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Daehler ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Location: Lexington MO Points: 1164 |
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Figure how many bushels per hour is being run by the machine moving at a certain speed. Lets use a 6 row head at 3.5mph in 190bu corn. Say unloading is 2 bu per second. Your input into the tank is .357 bu per second. I would say the auger isnt close to being full when done unloading on the go.
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DanWi ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1938 |
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Nobody mentions all the extra wheel traffic you can keep off of your fields if you are able to make a round and unload on the ends. Seems unloading on the go becomes a bigger issue when we have high yielding corn and combines running bigger heads. Running 50 bushel beans it is not as big of a deal. I think the John Deere guys had to start unloading on the go when they put 6 row heads on 6600's because they couldn't get half way across a field.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 22002 |
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No one mentions the extra wear and tear on the combine and corn head when NOT dumping on-the-go. We fill the grain tank every 12 minutes in corn with an R-50, so that is 5 times per hour. When you pull out of the rows and go dump into a waiting wagon, do you leave the machine engaged?? or shut down?? If you shut it down, you are now engaging the separator clutch and header clutch 5 times per hour, or 40 times per day. If you leave everything engaged, you have logged 10 or 12 minutes per hour of separator time doing nothing. It's not a perfect world, and either way has it's pluses and minuses.
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24727 |
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Yeesh, from a 'mechanical' viewpoint, I'd think there's a LOT of weird stresses on the unloading augar system even IF the ground was 100% flat.Hit a whoop-whoop and I can just see something, expensive busting. The operation up the road use two tractors and two 'transfer wagons' to haul product to roadside where a semi and looooog trailer are waiting. I can see why 'unloading on the go' might save time/money but...just one breakdown would kill that. I still don't know HOW any of you farmers MAKE money farming....but I apprecite your efforts and work ethics !!
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 5142 |
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You would need two trucks, one setting at each end of the field. Then there is the issue of not being able to make it to the end, so now you have to back out, drive around the uncut rows, go dump, then come back, and finish those rows, dump again, then start combining to the other end, and start the whole process over, not to mention the time spent dumping. Yes it pays. [/QUOTE] Years ago, we would just leave the trucks in the middle of the field and unload each way. That eliminated the compaction of running all over the field with an extra piece of equipment. Also it’s impossible for one person to run two seats. Edited by PaulB - 25 Oct 2019 at 7:24am |
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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skateboarder68 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2011 Location: Keota, IA Points: 372 |
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No one mentions the obvious! Is the auger tall enough to unload on the go? I would want a little wiggle room unless your fields are perfectly flat and you are unloading into a hundred bushel barge box or 1959 tonner Chevy I wouldn’t attempt it with an F
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DanWi ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1938 |
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To expand on Doc's comment when we had the M we would leave the separator run and just turn off the head when we unloaded on the ends because when you turned off the separator dust and dirt in the cylinder would make it out of balance for a short time when you started it sometimes, so the plan was to leave it run when you can. Combining on fields that are 1/2 to 1 mile long and straight you want to unload on the go. If the field is less then 1/8 mile and irregular shape it can be hard to do.
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2878 |
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Supposedly double the capacity of a combine when you unload on the go. A turret equipped would eliminate some of the stresses to folding up full.
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