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    Posted: 08 May 2021 at 9:23am
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After 2 years....i HOPE he already has it installed !! Wink
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Maybe you should hire a professional electrical company? I am kind of afraid of stuff like this to do it on my own, and it’s better to be safe than sorry. I just learned that from my own mistake. When I moved to my new house, in the beginning everything was perfect. I hired a professional moving company https://texasmovingusa.com/ to help me with everything. After I settled in, I noticed there is a problem with the kitchen switch. I tried to fix it on my own, but the problem was way complicated then I knew. I ended up hurting myself pretty bad, and even made the switch problem worse. So, know I just hire people to help me.

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4/0 AL cable is good for 205 amps ......... the ground wire 2/0 is good for about 150 amps.... that should be fine for entrance cable. I have had similar in my house for 40 years.
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The boxes aren't "Big" to hold a bunch of breakers. The boxes are big to have plenty of room to route those big 4/0 service feed cable and maintain proper bend radius.
 
Depending on code in your state, you may have to run a 4-wire for your house. In Indiana, all grounds have to run back to the main disconnect.
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All the local electrical contractors use is Aluminum Tri Plex for high amp runs. My own home as are 90% are is fed from the meter base to the breaker panel with same. Not so much a concern for heat and fire probabilities as the old 12/2 w/grd house wire.
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I spose running an extension cord is outta the question huh? lol
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That looks like aluminum can’t
’ Use it in Calif   I wouldn’t anyhow too high fire risk. It expands and contracts too much.
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It's just a lot cheaper than copper 3/0.
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Do not need to bury, this will be interior run.
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Should work fine, how far have to run and any severe rock in the soil? Under NEC code also needs to be at least 24" down.
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Will this work for 200 amp service from meter to breaker box?
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This is our meter base/disconnect. I left the Temporary 50A plug we used for builder power so if need to(found don't) can plug in a generator. The photo was on one of those 'Bad' days we all have!! Two drop legs, one to house one to shop, 1000Asupply base.

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Mother in Law's neighbor was caught power tapping from a rental home next to their live in home. He had added four extension cords underground to snitch power to run the washer and drier and a few rooms lights on the rental meter. Got caught when two of the four burnt up in winter and left a heat trail in the ground between the two, damned lucky did not set BOTH houses on fire. He weren't none two brite!!
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We couldn't pull the meters either.  We had an attic fire and the guy from Northern States pulled the meter, but we still had power up in that attic.
After the fire was out and our inspectors got to looking around, they found that when the owner built the house next door for his son, they ran power to it from his until it was built.  They never disconnected that line.
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I have a sequence box (meter mounting enclosure and lugs for meter) in the shop with a meter I bought off E-bay , so I know how much electric is used for shop and also have on in basement for kilns the wife had for her ceramics studio. 
 I know a disconnect was needed IF a meter was mounted on a central pole for farm use in many places and also some type of limiting  fusing for branch circuits . 
 Now NEA codes are always being updated so keeping up with them is a constant study of codes .

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My one neighbor has a meter out on the pole. He sold the farm and kept the house, garage and about an acre of land. The power company said they can't put 2 meters in to split his power from the grain bins and machine shed, unless the farm side is set up on a commercial rating. More money for them I guess, but it sounds kinda fishy to me.
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after being a fire dispatcher for many years, I learned to have a power shut off/breaker box added to the pole outside where the meter is. here when there is a fire to a house or out building the fire department won't squirt water until the power is cut to that building. that requires the electric company rep to come pull the meter. if it's in the middle of the night...that's a lot of time to wait for their rep and usually caused a total loss to the home/building owner. sometimes the fire dept did pull the meter before the power co rep got there, but after some many law suits they quit that! (it's different now) so I had a shut off installed at my house, then meter doesn't hafta be pulled. only regret was I didn't have any plug ins added to the shut off box.
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that's a really cool looking house Jim!
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Thanks Kenny, that makes sense now
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We are in a RV park in Florida and we have the 2 meter system for every 2 units.

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Originally posted by Ted J Ted J wrote:

Originally posted by JimD JimD wrote:

Im sure those will work. Just seems odd that a fully loaded 200 ampwith breakers is less than a outdoor breaker.  Guess it just stingmore since I'm doing 2 meters,
Jim, WHY are you doing two meters?
Here we pay $35 or $45 dollars per each meter we have.  I used to have two, one to the house and one to the barn.  Now I only have one and feed both the house and barn.

Our electrical supplier got this idea from some other outfit so they could regulate and raise more money.  A LOT of the farmers around here still have at least two meters because they don't want to spend the $$$$ to change it to one.

COULD happen to you some day.....you never know, they are always looking for a new way to raise money.

Being as it's new, why not put a pedestal out somewhere and have the meter on that and feed from there?  We have them around here and it has the disconnect built into that.  I don't remember what I paid for mine, but it was less than $300.  Paid for itself the first year.
Ted they do that because you can't take the electricity that the house uses off your taxes anyway that's why dad done it that way 
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Oh, did I mention that when our shop burned down, we decided to build a new house?  Shop and warehouse will go in right after we move in.

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Here is the spec sheet:


Its cut off but the bottom says "Will need breaker box adjacent to both meters"


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Here is why there are 2 meters.  It's sort of a duplex. Our house is on the left, and Mom's is on the right.  She needs as much independance as possible, and I can easily see her living here another 25+ years.  So she has her own meter.
The above solutions will work, I just don't see why they are so stinking big when they only have 2 breakers.  I'll upload a pic of the spec sheet they gave me.
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House is all electric so when i wanted power to my shop they said put in a center pole.They furnished pole and i had to put in breaker and run wire to weather head and one recteable.Move meter out on pole and changed to a 20 muliplier.All power comes through same meter.150 amp breaker with 150 taps on bottom could go any where and check with  no one.
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My electric company furnished and installed a meter with a place to put in 3 breakers if you wanted you could run 3 200 amp breakers
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this isThis is what REA installs around central Illinois... there meter goes on top, your 200 amp breaker is in the bottom half.
 
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You also have to remember this is OUTSIDE box, so it is a little better construction and somewhat more SEALED than the inside breaker distribution boxes.
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