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Gary Burnett 
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 7:19am |
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Bought a non running 1965 190XT,got it started and driving.The good doesn't jump out of any gear,PTO and hydraulics work good,sheet metal is good,has a decent cab that's off the tractor,good 8 ply 18.4X34 tires rims are good no fluid in them.The bad will need a turbo,high side of the Power Director is out,needs a new seat,needs new bottom in the battery box.Probably worth more in pieces than together but I could use the tractor don't really need it. Would you part it or fix it?
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Dakota Dave
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 8:06am |
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Since I'm kinda stupid I'd fix it. Every one of my tractors has more parts in them than there worth.i need one tractor for maintains my yard the others just take up shed space.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 8:43am |
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The tractor I like the most is a C that I bought as a pile of parts. I put it together thirty years ago and was going to tear it apart and paint later. I've sold it twice and bought it back and it's still in the same paint as when it was a pile of parts. My best tractor is a WD 45 I bought for parts. I put sixteen dollars in it to get it running correctly. It was in so much better condition than the tractor I was painting I couldn't tear it it apart. So I put 2 grand of wheels and tires on it. It's still original paint and the tractor I use the most. Every tractor I have the tires were the most expensive part. Since you've got good rubber you might as well repair. When you put the cab back on the 190 make sure you get the right side filler panel in correctly. I didn't and had to jack the cab back up to correct it.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 11:16am |
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IF thats all that's wrong,---FIX THAT SUCKER!! LOL!!!! thanks; ac fleet
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 12:28pm |
 Dakota Dave wrote:
Since I'm kinda stupid I'd fix it. Every one of my tractors has more parts in them than there worth.i need one tractor for maintains my yard the others just take up shed space. |
maybe it's a north dakota thing, cause I'd fix it, too. Darrel
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 12:45pm |
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One way to look at the old 190-XT, take the cost you have in her now and add the cost to repair, total it up and look at a running 100 HP tractor is going to cost replace it with, I'll bet you will be repairing the 190-XT.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 1:23pm |
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check your fluid pressures in your power divider valve block , linkage rod may just need adjusting.
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DougS
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 1:25pm |
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Parting it out is a hassle - probably more labor involved than fixing what you have. The engine has some value, but what's an engine worth when the buyer is buying a used engine of unknown condition? There would be demand for the turbo, but you've already said that was crap. The power director is busted - another item that might otherwise be useful if in good condition, but yours isn't. The tin might be of value. Ditto the wheels and tires. On top of all that you have to peddle the parts one by one. I'd fix it. If you don't want to bother with fixing it then find a buyer who will buy it as is. A collector-mechanic will value it as is more than you would.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 2:13pm |
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If you have a use for the tractor, I would definitely fix it. If you go out and buy a 100 hp tractor, you may end up buying worse than you have now.
I see turbos on ebay for less than $400.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 6:49pm |
darrel in ND wrote:
Dakota Dave wrote:
Since I'm kinda stupid I'd fix it. Every one of my tractors has more parts in them than there worth.i need one tractor for maintains my yard the others just take up shed space. |
maybe it's a north dakota thing, cause I'd fix it, too. Darrel |
It's an Okie thing too. Fix it!
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 7:38pm |
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It only little stuff that needs fixing. Much better than having to rebuild an engine or transmission (or both in my case). Fixer'up!
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Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 8:19pm |
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Gotta agree, the 190's are good tractors. I've done a lot to mine and don't regret it one bit. Fuel pump rebuilt as well as injectors, new clutch, gauges. Hydraulic pump seal and o ring, seat. New paint, decals. Lots of other things. She will be a worker not a show piece only. Sounds like you have a good base tractor and parting them out is a hassle. My power director slipped in low 4th gear when taking off. Not sure, but it probably would have slipped when pulling a heavy load in any gear. Turned out the seal and o ring in the front of the hydraulic pump was leaking internally. $20 bucks in parts and it fixed my problem. I'm still painting but looking forward to farming and pulling season to get here. Hopefully will be done in the next few weeks. Good luck, there are plenty of good folks on here to guide you in your repairs.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 2:58pm |
Actually, it's a growing up thing..... When you grow up poor, you fix it. When you grow up wanting, you fix it. When you grow up needing, you fix it. Let me see.........fix it or part it out........Hmmmmmm.....I think......drum roll please.......
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 3:43pm |
Fix it 
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 03 Apr 2017 at 7:48pm |
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I don't really need the tractor to use and what I want to avoid is spending a lot time and money on it and make less(or nothing) on it if I decided to sell it than just doing something with it as is,the 185 with the loader on the other hand is a tractor I can use and appears it won't cost much to get it up and running to a tractor I can use.Figure if I tried to sell it as is whole I'd probably get offered maybe half what the sum of the parts are worth.I'll just let it sit awhile and
see what comes up.Would like to get my 1650 Oliver going before hay season and need to work on some hay equipment some too.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2017 at 12:16am |
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keep it going, too many parted out allready, no need to add to that.
change turbo and run it IMO.
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Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine.
If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2017 at 3:28am |
ya could always buy another 190 and use that one for parts  with the weather being nice there's no sense in making a decision right now. if by chance (I hope not) there's more wrong with the 185 you'll have the 190 to fall back on.
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Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 7:25am |
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Well the basic economics on the 190XT doesn't work for me to fix it really,as fixing the Power Director could run me $1500 to $2000 plus the other work I'd probably have more in it than its worth which is a trap I try to avoid like the plague.And I have yet to work on anything that it didn't cost more time and money than originally estimated.As it stands I can make a good profit to put toward a running and operating tractor that suits my needs better anyway and I won't be tying up a bunch of $$$$ in this one.I figure batteries,seat,
filters and new fluids would run well over $500.
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Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 2:16pm |
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Gary UR phone will be ringing out of UR pocket .LOL
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Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 5:32pm |
Gary Burnett wrote:
Well the basic economics on the 190XT doesn't work for me to fix it really,as fixing the Power Director could run me $1500 to $2000 plus the other work I'd probably have more in it than its worth which is a trap I try to avoid like the plague.And I have yet to work on anything that it didn't cost more time and money than originally estimated.As it stands I can make a good profit to put toward a running and operating tractor that suits my needs better anyway and I won't be tying up a bunch of $$$$ in this one.I figure batteries,seat,
filters and new fluids would run well over $500.
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don't say I blame you for not wanting to end up with a money pit.
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Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers
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Posted: 18 Apr 2017 at 11:40pm |
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Hi is out on the PD on my 7580 and I dont want to make it a money pit, so I dont kick a sleeping dog, or in this case a sleeping 3 legged dog, and run it. The beauty of the PD is no harm comes from continuing to run it with one side out.
IIRC shameless did the same on a 7080 of his, but his had low out.
If I was you I would only change the bad turbo and run the rest as-is and dont spend a dime more and keep the old girl in one piece.
Or, see if you can sell it as-is for more $.
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Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 1:26am |
Battery box and a seat aren't real big deals IMO. You can homebrew stuff as needed, but you won't be stranded in the field because of a seat.
I'd do what GM said- throw a turbo on it and run it as she is. Due to age, I really can't see a 190XT losing much value. Keep costs low, and you'll have a pretty cheap tractor that sounds like it's in pretty good shape, save the Power Director issue
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Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 4:20am |
GM Guy wrote:
Hi is out on the PD on my 7580 and I dont want to make it a money pit, so I dont kick a sleeping dog, or in this case a sleeping 3 legged dog, and run it. The beauty of the PD is no harm comes from continuing to run it with one side out.
IIRC shameless did the same on a 7080 of his, but his had low out.
If I was you I would only change the bad turbo and run the rest as-is and dont spend a dime more and keep the old girl in one piece.
Or, see if you can sell it as-is for more $.
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I'm open to offers as its sits and I see you part out combines. Why don't you fix all of them? instead of parting them out?
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Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 5:40am |
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in a perfect world I'd never see an allis parted out again, but here in the real world, with out donor tractors us 5020 owners would be screwed!!
Ya mentioned earlier ya don't have much of a use for the 190, so I can't see dumping money into a machine that ya can't use. I'd try selling it as is for a bit and if there's no takers, part it out.
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Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 11:47am |
Gary Burnett wrote:
I'm open to offers as its sits and I see you part out combines. Why don't you fix all of them?
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Sometimes things are too far gone. Take this one off the internet for example...it needs a LOT more than a turbo
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Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 12:07pm |
Was running when parked... 
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Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 1:49pm |
CrestonM wrote:
Gary Burnett wrote:
I'm open to offers as its sits and I see you part out combines. Why don't you fix all of them?
instead of parting them out?
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Sometimes things are too far gone. Take this one off the internet for example...it needs a LOT more than a turbo
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You forgot the high side of the PD doesn't work.So what would you give for it with a new turbo and the PD only with a low? In addition to the PD work you'll need new batteries,new seat too.$$$Offer?
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Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 2:13pm |
How much would it cost to buy a good XT THAT YOU KNOW FOR A FACT IS GOOD? That's why I fix most of my equipment so I know what I have. All said and done it's real easy for me to spend your money. 
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Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 7:04pm |
Lonn wrote:
How much would it cost to buy a good XT THAT YOU KNOW FOR A FACT IS GOOD? That's why I fix most of my equipment so I know what I have.
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x2! That's what I like about buying that kind of stuff. I get to do the work, so I know it's done right. Plus, who doesn't like gaining repair experience? That said, as a poor college kid, a One-Ninety isn't exactly in my budget. Probably someday, though!
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Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 10:44pm |
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The good news is that there are still quite a few 190s around. I even see a few out here, and the Allis dealer network at the time here was non existent
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