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Dads 45 
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 7:17pm |
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Did the early WD 45s have a straight shifter or were the 45s all curved shifters?
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 7:18pm |
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The late WD's had a curved shifter and all the 45's had curved.
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Dads 45
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 7:22pm |
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Well I smell a rat then. Looking at a supposed 45 but see in the pic a straight shifter. Can the shifters be swapped? I want to go see if engine has a plate on the right side. Thank you Lonn!
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 7:27pm |
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I doubt they can be switched but a WD tranny could have been swapped in. Looking at the motor and tractor serial # should tell all.
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Dads 45
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 7:31pm |
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If the motor has no plate it`s a 45 motor and what does the serial number have to be higher than? Tractor data has me confused there.
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Calvin Schmidt
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 7:55pm |
Any serial below 146,606 is a WD. Above 146,607 is a WD-45. The last aprox 20,000 WD's had the curved shifter.
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Dads 45
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 7:58pm |
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Thank you gentlemen!
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 8:01pm |
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Over the years I've noticed that about 99.99999% of the WD tractors that get new
decals get the WD-45 decals.No sense in leaving a good decal in the can.
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Dads 45
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 8:04pm |
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Well, this has WD decals, straight shifter, power steering and I can`t see motor close enough in the pics to see a plate. Seller claims it`s a 45 but I`ll just have to drive up and see. Been searching too long and I`m getting antsy. And antsy isn`t good when your buying.
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DSeries4
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 8:26pm |
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Power steering was first offered on the WD45, so yours is probably a Charlynn aftermarket kit.
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 8:34pm |
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I find that alot of people don't realize there is a WD. Most just assume that they all are WD45s
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 8:35pm |
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WD45 crankshaft, pistons, and connecting rods can be put in a WD block, and I think the WD45 head fits also though there really isn't any reason for changing the head as far as I know.
I have seen WDs with the side plate on the block with WD-45 decals and advertised on a road side sign as a WD-45 for sale.
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Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 11:13pm |
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All my wd's have straight shifters and 2 of them have power steering, but the steering is different on each of them.
Both of my 45's have curved shifters. thanks; ac fleet
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 5:12am |
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You will LOVE the Char-Lynn power steering. Parts are still available from forktruck dealers. I have one now and 2 others in the past. One finger operation.( And not the middle finger)
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 6:21am |
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When you go to look at it drive it and see how noisy the transmission is, WD's can make lots of noise in 2nd gear. The 45's have about 10 more HP but if you don't need it there is nothing wrong with a WD. Also check if the brakes work, major job to change those and for me would knock off $400 or so off the price if they don't work as should. Keep us posted!!
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 8:45am |
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WD's got the tall (WD-45 style) head sometime in mid 1951 around serial 84,000.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 9:09am |
One thing about WD and 45's is that about everything will bolt up between the 2. You can have a mix and match of parts for sure.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 9:58am |
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I think the curved shifter indicates a change from straight cut transmission gears to helical cut gears. Straight cut gears can be noisy, helical usually are quiet. I've heard a Massey-Harris with straight cut gears in the transmission where the gear whine was as loud as the engine exhaust and it was just moving the tractor on level ground, not working hard.
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Dads 45
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 1:46pm |
Well, I`m pi$$ed. This seller is a AC restorer and an AC jockey. He knows more about these tractors than I EVER will. Has this listed as a 45 and I SPOKE to him about it on the phone! Got tired waiting for a return call when he was home so drove to see it. I was SO pi$$ed when I saw the plate on the motor I just turned around and left. All we really have in this world is our reputation and credibility because we can`t take toys and $ along when we die. He has lost both imo.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 3:43pm |
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All things being equal I'd just as soon have a WD
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 5:44pm |
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At least you didnt get scammed. What was the asking price? Might be a good tractor for the right price...Now that you know what it is...Good luck, Trev.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 6:13pm |
does it have a quick coupler and does it have the power crater engine
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 7:31pm |
Feel sorry for the guy who drives long distance to find out it`s a WD. He wants $2800
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 7:32pm |
 Mountain goat wrote:
does it have a quick coupler and does it have the power crater engine
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 7:36pm |
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For average use you wouldn't know the difference between a WD and a WD-45. The problem lies in paying WD-45 prices for a WD.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 7:56pm |
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Ok. My question regarding this tractor. Simply because everybody is jumping on the negative bandwagon...
What if the original engine had an issue (for example a hole in the block). So, a WD engine was fitted with the 45 crank, pistons, etc and put in the 45 frame. Yes, it has the plate, but wouldn't it have the specs of a 45?
Was it marketed as an original 45? If not, and the WD engine was converted, then wouldn't the seller be correct in saying it is a 45?
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 8:09pm |
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Nope.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 9:50pm |
jkoby wrote:
Was it marketed as an original 45? If not, and the WD engine was converted, then wouldn't the seller be correct in saying it is a 45? |
He would be closer to correct if he said it was a WD with a WD45 engine kit, although there was no such thing as a WD45 kit. A WD45 would have the quieter transmission and an extra disc in the hand clutch. It would also be newer since the tractor you looked at had an engine with the side plate and probably the short head. Regardless of what's correct and incorrect, he should have described the tractor for what it was. If he really knew how to restore AC tractors he would have known the difference. Listing the tractor serial number would have answered your question.
Edited by DougS - 27 Mar 2017 at 9:52pm
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Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 6:59am |
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I think the issue isn't what the tractor is or is not, but rather that the seller is clearly advertising it as is something other than what it is, and he clearly knows better.
If it's got a plate on the side of the motor, and the shifter is straight, then it's substantially more of a WD than a WD-45. If he's got ANY fair knowledge of Allis tractors, it would NOT have required him to look at any serial numbers, and he would have the wisdom to know that anyone looking at it from WD-45 Feet Away would clearly know it.
The OP's conclusion, therefore, is logically valid- the seller is both unscrupulous and dishonest.
Which is sad, but momma said there'd be people like that in the world.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 7:13am |
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Most likely its just a cheap old tractor to him that he wants to make a few $$$ on and he's not going to worry about the small details whether its a WD or WD-45.What's important
to some folks ain't squat to others.From years of experience looking at A-C tractors I'm
always surprised when an advertised WD-45 is actually a WD-45.Life ain't worth sweating the small stuff.
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