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Never know what you will find - war B update 3/21

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    Posted: 09 Dec 2016 at 12:06pm
I was perusing the new Facebook marketplace feature and came across this little guy for $100. Well I needed another tractor like I need a hole in my head, but I did need parts for Lori's B. So I contacted the guy and talked back and forth a bit. Decided I would come up to Springfield IL to get it at the same timtime picked up the Christmas gift for the kids (also in Springfield). Anyway we pulled in yesterday and all the parts were laying on a tarp neatly in his yard. He said this is all I have found, but look around the barn and see if you can find the rest. After digging we found everything but the block, crank, cam and pistons. Went back to load everything up and noticed that I had missed that the oil pan, valve cover, and bill gear covers were cast iron. Oh, oh, oh.... It's a war B (didn't know this when I told him I'd take it) and best I can tell it has all the hard to find parts. Rubber tires though, not steels. Not too bad of a day if i don't say so myself.

Now for the rest of the story. As we finished loading everything outof the corner of my eye I noticed an orange gear in the hayloft. Drug out a ladder and it was the planter assembly for a cultivator drive gear for the wheel and all (no hoppers though). Also had the swinging drawbar laying on top. Asked him about it and bought them too for $25. Then he said hey, take a walk with me. We walked back to the fence row and found the mounted plow, cultivator, and sickle mower for it as well. I'll be going back up there to get those as well. Very friendly guy and we chatted for a bit. Told him to keep an eye on my restoration page on Facebook and he will probably see the tractor again.





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You were in Pat's back yard and didn't meet up with him
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We were hopping from one place to another. We left at 8:30am stopped at Dale Haymakers to pay for the 390 mower conditioner we had been talking about. Left there and stopped at Springfield and got a game table for the kids, left there and went to the north side of Springfield got this tractor. After that met a fellow up there who wanted some Oliver lawnmower parts painted (turned out it wasn't one mile from the tractor guys place) and left there and booked to Champaign to get Lori's Christmas gift (electronic keyboard) and then back home. Made it home at 10:30pm


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I have a copy of the military B manual on line at: http://www.geraldj.networkiowa.com/Trees/BMilitary.pdf

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not military, civilian war time production, oil pan and VC should be pot metal, put a magnet on 'em and see...
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The G, B, C, and CA shop manual is in that same directory.

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Yes civilian war time is what I meant, not one for military use
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SOMEBODY had Christmas come early!!
NICE find............but did ja feel guilty just a little bit, stealing like that from an unsuspecting guy.....
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Snuck in my backyard finding those treasures . LOL glad you could find some goodies . PM me when you come back , maybe I can help load or buy you lunch
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Hopefully when we come back to get the implements then we will have more time. Maybe be able to catch you then Pat!
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Sandknob,

What are all the hard to find parts for a war b? mine has the cast oil pan, vc and final pans. What else should it have?

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Looks like you found a Real Treasure.  I was thinking what else.  How about a plugged starter opening - however, probably a starter in there now - Steel Wheels - course after WWII we converted to rubber and junked the wheels - that is all I can remember.
Looks like you have a real job ahead of you.  Let us know how it goes.
Take good care of my special favorite.
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Did you get the extended fenders?
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What is your FB Restoration page? If I may ask
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Update on this project. I've been slowly reassembling what I could of it. I had to put new bearings in the rear differential. Cleaned all the junk out of the transmission and freed up the shift forks. I got a temporary CA engine from Wayne180. Also got some rear tires and rims from AJ here on the forum. Also got a good rear PTO from AJ as well.











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Isn't the seal in backwards for the carrier bearing? The lip should face the "wet"side.



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I mulled that over for quite some time. I got to reading on the internet and best I could find was to put them in the direction I did.
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I think Tucker is right....open side toward the oil.
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If anyone is interested here is the original tractor I was trying to buy a parts tractor for. 1938 B. This one is Lori's. I'm trying to collect what I can to put it back as close to factory as I can. I now have the correct engine block from Den Stork and the correct torque tube and toolbox from Matt Jordan in Minnesota.

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And this is the newest addition. I tried for over 20 years to buy this particular tractor only because it sat in a salvage yard and I felt sorry for it. 1942 B



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Wow!  You got it all in pieces and didn't sand blast and paint it then?  Now you got to take it all apart again! Big smile
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John, I intend to paint it eventually, but I have two paint projects in the shop right now. I'm going to try to paint this one and Lori's 38 at the same time. The 1942 model will have to wait for a while.

Jpessek - that is a neat old article. I considered finding a set of steel wheels for it, but decided against it eventually.
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Originally posted by Sandknob Sandknob wrote:

I mulled that over for quite some time. I got to reading on the internet and best I could find was to put them in the direction I did.
 The only time the lip faces away from the oil side, is if you have 2 seals and your intent is to have a wiper to keep crap out. The inner seal must face the oil to keep it from leaking.

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Oil Seals and Grease Seals

Oil seals and grease seals have a flexible lip that rubs against a shaft or housing to prevent the leakage or ingress of fluids and dirt.

For proper installation, the seal lip should point towards the medium being contained. Some oil seals and grease seals have a spring to help keep the lip in contact with the shaft.

Oil and grease seals are used to retain or separate lubricants or fluids. These seals are primarily used for rotary applications only.

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I see a generator on Lori's 38 but you put a toolbox on it that doesn't allow a battery to be installed?
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Maybe the generator is just for the lights that were on it. The starter is hangin under the steering column.
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That is when we first got it. It had a homemade battery box on the other side.
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