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littlemarv 
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Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 10:12pm |
Picked this plow up off of Craigslist. Maybe the seller is on the forum, I never met him, I just sent my retired old man on a mission for me and he took care of it. What momma don't know, don't hurt me, kinda deal. Seems to be in pretty good shape. Can anyone identify it from the pictures? I'd like to get a manual for it. And maybe a tractor big enough to pull it! Might be a bit much for the WD. I was surprised that the old homemade farm crane lifted it.... wasn't sure if it would do it or not, but no problem. Man that thing is handy.    Number on the moldboard  Number on the landside  What size tire should be on the depth wheel? Thanks in advance.
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Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 10:40pm |
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Appears to be a #53 plow. Made for the WD or WD45. I pull a 3-16 with my WD45 and WD45.
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Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 11:27pm |
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i thank my tire is a 14'' on mine' a small car tire will work fine' got 4 plows hear there all 14'' wheels on them W\ 4 hole rim'
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Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 5:38am |
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LittleMarv,
I really like the crane. Could you post or shoot me some pics of it? I'd like to fabricate one. Thank you.
Steve
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Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 7:57am |
That is the plow we sold for the WD's and WD-45's in the 50's. Good plow. See you have a depth wheel for it. That was not around when we sold them. Looks to be in good shape. The numbers you display appear to be part numbers - the La Cross parts number started with 3. Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 10:20am |
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Lookup the plow write up in the knowledge base. You can download the parts catalog there and see what bottoms you have from your part numbers.
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Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 10:48am |
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I believe there is a WD-52 and WD-53 Pickup plow manual at grandpastractors.com, similar link to the plow frames (which doesn't cover the 50 family) and the plow bottoms (which should cover your bottoms). If you can't find it, I can e-mail it. I downloaded it a couple years ago, its about 1.3 MB which might be a slow download on a dial up. It will grow as an e-mail attachment, or I can temporarily put it on my web page server for easier download.
The vertical plow shanks definitely mark it as a model 53. The 321903 landside is specific to the WD-52 and WD-53 pickup plow according to the bottoms book.
The 309215 moldboard is a soft center steel moldboard used on a right hand 12" and 14" right hand number 24 AC bottom.
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Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 6:17pm |
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#53, with old style hook and bolt share. As someone else said 14" tire. H78-14, I believe...
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Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 8:53pm |
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Hurry up and paint what is shiny. Save you a lot of trouble later. Any old paint will do.
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Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 9:43pm |
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My WD 52 and WD 53 Pickup plow book doesn't mention a gauge wheel. My 60, 70, and 80 plow frames book has two, one is not pneumatic and the other for a tire with tube could be had in 13, 14, or 15" rims on a 4 bolt hub and the parts book says tire and tube not serviced, acquire locally. So find a tire and tube to fit the rim diameter and width and adjust the gauge wheel accordingly. I'd guess a 4 or 4-1/2" tire would be wide and sturdy enough.
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Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 10:43pm |
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13" was the "new" original that went on ours. Found a great bias ply, and it really looks the time period. I can check size Sunday.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 5:40am |
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The thing is, is that 50, 60 and 70 series have the mounting holes for the depth wheel exactly the same distance apart. I think all modern AC plows do. SO, one of the first, best options, to ad, from a junked bigger plow, was the depth gauge wheel...
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Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 8:46am |
That crane looks like an AC one. If it is homemade they made a very good copy.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 9:06am |
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The crane is a homemade one patterned off the original. The bracing and how it attaches to the arms is wrong.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 9:50am |
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I made it, and it is a good copy. Judging by how well it works, I'd say everything is JUST RIGHT.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 4:20pm |
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You did a nice job. The WD farm crane is very handy to have around.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 9:18am |
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I too would like the measurements so I can build one!
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 9:36am |
 LeonR2013 wrote:
Hurry up and paint what is shiny. Save you a lot of trouble later. Any old paint will do. |
I second that. If you want to pay a little more, buy slip plate to paint them with.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 9:43am |
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The gauge wheel really don't belong on the 50 series plow.
Gauge wheels are for people who don't know how to set a plow unless its on a semi-mounted plow which truly needs one.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 9:49am |
DennisA (IL) wrote:
The gauge wheel really don't belong on the 50 series plow.
Gauge wheels are for people who don't know how to set a plow unless its on a semi-mounted plow which truly needs one.
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I agree!
And the previous owner is on this forum.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2016 at 1:31am |
Your WD should pull it just fine. I have a very similar 3-14 #53 plow that I pull with my WD, minus the gage wheel. I have never touched the adjustments on my plow, they have been together since sometime in the sixties and Grandpa plowed a lot of acres over the years with it.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2017 at 9:55pm |
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Kind of dragging this one back up to the top.
My brother bought the exact same plow, only he removed one bottom to pull it easier with his D-14. He removed some framework and the middle bottom, and moved bottom #3 forward. Had to make a spacer, but otherwise seemed pretty straightforward. Trouble is, that plow just doesn't seem to plow right. Seems to just pull harder than it should.
So today, I was looking at my three bottom, contemplating doing the exact same thing. I noticed that the tongue is pretty much centered in the middle of the middle bottom. If you take one bottom out, the tongue will no longer be in the center, cause then the tongue should be centered between the bottoms, right? I didn't think to look too closely at the time, but can you slide the tongue and beaming screw assembly over, to virtually make a 53 into a 52?
When I plowed some corn stubble last fall, I set the tractor up on blocks to simulate being in the furrow, then set the plow up side to side and front to back. It pulled it OK, but I really thought I was maxing the WD out. I see no reason to overwork the tractor trying to plow a one acre patch, so that's why I was even kicking the idea around of removing one bottom, to make it a little easier on the tractor.
Thanks for any input.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2017 at 10:22pm |
Look at the manual at: http://grandpas-tractor-site.s3.amazonaws.com/manuals/ac/equipment/plows/wd-52-and-wd-53-pick-up-plows.pdf?javer=1704291016especially the parts drawings at the rear of the book. You want the front bottom of two or three bottom plows to be the same distance (plow width) from the inside face of the right side tires (if wide front, only the rear if narrow front). I didn't read the manual to see if the tire spacing is supposed to be changed between the two and three bottom plows, but it might be. Anyway the distance the front bottom landside is from the left face of the rear tire sets the width of dirt plowed by the front bottom which should be the rated plow width. Gerald J.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2017 at 10:45pm |
It depends on your spoil condition, but your WD should be able to pull a 3 bottom plow. I pull a 53 plow in 3rd gear, with my WD45. It seems to pull easier in 3rd than in 2nd in corn stubble on rolling hills. I only had to shift down on wet spots. I have the traction booster on my 45, not sure if all WD's had that. Every time our club plows, I've had to finish the job. Others have tractor or plow problems. When you set your tractor up on blocks to set the plow, be sure to set the front wheels on a block of the same height. to simulate the actual plowing. Good luck !
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Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 1:51am |
littlemarv wrote:
So today, I was looking at my three bottom, contemplating doing the exact same thing. When I plowed some corn stubble last fall, I set the tractor up on blocks to simulate being in the furrow, then set the plow up side to side and front to back. It pulled it OK, but I really thought I was maxing the WD out. I see no reason to overwork the tractor trying to plow a one acre patch, so that's why I was even kicking the idea around of removing one bottom, to make it a little easier on the tractor.
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If the tractor is losing RPM's or stalling then you are maxing out the WD, if not then your fine. That WD is built like a tank. In the 70's Allis engineer's tested the power train and it was able to handle over 90hp.
Remember 2nd gear is the plowing gear. We pull 3-16" behind our D-14 with no issues and WD has more torque than the D-14 by far. Try to keep the plow intact if you can.
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Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 7:46am |
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Ok, why is second gear the plowing gear? I will be working in heavy clay sod, I thought first would be the best, more torque, as long as it flips the furrow over?
I'm not going to butcher this plow, anyways. I have a 1-16 and a 2-14 trailer plow in my arsenal as well. I took the share off of the one bottom and took it to the shop where my grandfather had his reworked. The guy still has quite a bit of stuff for plows, and did an amazing job. The one bottom sinks in perfect. I think I will give the two bottom the same treatment as well. It worked pretty good, but didn't seem to want to go in the ground very easy.
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Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 7:55am |
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Allis engineers designed the tractor and the transmission to plow in second gear. The plow depth should be set to half the width of the moldboard. Example, if you have a 14 inch plow bottom you're plowing Depth should be set at 7 inches. The rule of thumb is if you can pull a plow in third gear then the tractor is capable of pulling one extra bottom in second gear. This holds true for all the older Allis plows until you get up to the 9000 series.
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Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 6:04pm |
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I plow 12" deep with my 45 and a 3 bottom snap coupler plow and run in fast first gear.---gets over LOTS of ground fast.--I can't hang on any faster than first because of spinal surgery 16 years ago!
My plow does not have any wheels of any kind on it, and no place to put any. thanks; ac fleet
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Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 7:38pm |
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The lift on the back of the WD looks similar to one my grandfather had for his narrow front WD "yard tractor" back in the 50's at his little A-C dealership in Jerseyville, IL. I still have the tractor. Have no idea what happened to the lift.
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Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 9:21pm |
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Looks like a good purchase. you maybe wont need my roll over plow now. I do not know about tractor on blocks. I have adjust different
plows over the years. Do not believe any 14 inch plow is only made to plow 7 inches deep. When I set a plow I plow 20 feet in a furrow and get off with a ruler and measure each bottom top to bottom and make sure each bottom is making a full 14 inch cut and plow is plowing level. if not start setting your plow to be level and making a full cut. This works for me. Oh and I know it will plow deeper as I always make one round deep so I can watch the John Deeres spin.
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