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Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:13pm |
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looking to put one in a rat rod
so do these engine have much problems ????
I was told they have balance shafts do they
thanks for the help
trying do some thing that some one else don't have there is a lot of Cummins in them
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Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:26pm |
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The 433 is a very durable engine. It does not have a lot of low end torque but has tones of reserve power at high idle. Don't know how it would do in a rat rod but should be cool.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:32pm |
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it will be in a model a Tudor sedan that only weight about 2200 pounds
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Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:36pm |
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we donated one to a college and they put one in a chev corvett and set a speed record for biofueled powered class for a while. They do have a balancer. If you are going to do a lot of crusin' and limit the rpm to 2500-2600 leave it in - otherwise remove it as it turns 2X the crank speed and could very well exit the oil pan. You can live with the vibration. Put a lighter flywheel on for acceleration. Turn up the pump, big injectors - AC or Bosch, run the lower compression early pistons , add an air to air intercooler plus the liquid with a separate cooler for the water and add water, alcohol, propane injection, carry a bucket to pick up spewed parts and have a unique rat rod. You could use the orange tractor theme or the Purple Power motif from the BIG AL truck engine - Lil Al ?
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Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:40pm |
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A 433 engine does have a balancer to help cancel the inherent vibration in all 4 cylinder 4 cycle inline engines.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:45pm |
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I would try to run it about 1900 to 2100 they make good mounts for the Cummins the 4bt will drive you right out a truck with out them the motor I found is a 1979 so one said to run a 301 turbo on it and put more fuel to it
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 12:36pm |
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what rpm should they run at I'm going to try some were around my place to take the pump to have them redo the gov on it and set it up higher if I can other wise I will send it out to some one
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 12:44pm |
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In a 6080 ,the rpm,s have to be above 1800 to get anything out of it, just my experience
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 1:03pm |
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but are you pulling any thing your tractor weight more them my rat rod I have be pushing more wind just trying to get thing so I can start putting together thanks for your guys help
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 1:33pm |
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Nope just the tractor weight, 9,000 lbs;
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 1:42pm |
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my car is about 2200
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 2:29pm |
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Just my opinion, but wouldn't put much hope in it
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 2:44pm |
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ok just trying to get it shorted out before I buy to may parts I would think 1900 to 2100 should be ok
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 3:28pm |
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Somewhere around here I have an article where someone took a NEW 1979 ford truck to an Allis dealer, pulled the 400 out of it and dropped a 433 in its place. Said it pulled just as good and got extremely good milage.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 3:31pm |
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Somewhere around here I have an article where someone took a NEW 1979 ford truck to an Allis dealer, pulled the 400 out of it and dropped a 433 in its place. Said it pulled just as good and got extremely good milage. |
That's Sam in Georgia on here. He was an old AC block man I believe. Put the 433 in, and a slide in camper, and took a trip to California and back and got like 25 mpg.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 3:42pm |
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there one in a 1972 chevy pickup on a another form I joined it but have to wait un tell they let me post http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/forums/general-diesel-discussion-92/tryin-put-tractor-diesel-truck-174962/
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:55pm |
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you do not have to do anything but back out the high idle stop to go to 2800-2900... 1600-2500 is normal...you are probably not gonna run much more than that sasfely.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:15pm |
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ok thanks I have to have the pump worked on I need to change the governor on it and set it up higher
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:52pm |
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If you are pulling 1 out of a dozer, the later ones had heaver bottom ends than the earlier 1's. I cannot give you a serial number break or date when this was done.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 9:44pm |
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the one I found came out of a 1979 f2
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Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 11:46pm |
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Find about an '82 Ford 1/2t 2wd pickup that has came originally with 300 six with SROD transmission and 215/70 tires. the rearend will be a 9" with 2.54:1 drive ratio... run taller tires... say... 33" diameter or so, but narrow tread, and it'll hustle down the road with minimal resistance and LOW crankshaft RPM.
I'd be most worried about the A's frame... they were well-employed to contain the substantially-weaker 40hp flathead... bolting an oil-burner to that frame will be certainly destined to find any flaws fast...
You are changing the front suspension, brakes, and steering, yes?
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Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 2:14pm |
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unless it has been changed, that is an AC injector, low compression engine. Engine will be orange in color.
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Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 5:11pm |
Here some internet post about the AC 433 diesel swaps into pickups.
This link is about a new 1979 F250 that got an AC 433I swap at AC dealership. The guy talks about its mileage going from 6-7 to 20.
This link is from this AC forum site. Lots of reading on it & some pictures.
This is a site for Cummins 4bt swap information. Someone is talking about gleaner f2 433I swap. |
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Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 7:30pm |
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the one I found is orange
the frame I have is a 1 1/2 model a frame it is 2 incher taller then the cars or pickups
for a transmission I'm going with a five speed out of a pickup have a overdrive z542
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Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 8:15pm |
  couple pic one of my car and one of the engine
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Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 8:34pm |
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That is a lot newer engine than I have delt with. Should be the heaver bottom end. I have attended the Good Guys car show in Des Moines, every now and then you see one with a diesel. Good luck, don't get discouraged and give up on it. Please post pictures of your progress.
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Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 8:49pm |
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he said it was a 1979 it is 6 hours away one way it will take some time to get together
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Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:11pm |
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Someone has been trying to sell a 433 on the Denver Craigslist for nearly a year. Think they are down to $1800. Look under Allis.
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Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:15pm |
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Found this one for 1500.00
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Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:16pm |
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Just looked, it's no longer listed.
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