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mooboy
Bronze Level Joined: 27 Feb 2010 Points: 49 |
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Posted: 28 Mar 2010 at 10:51am |
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Six days ago, I took the post hole digger off the 3 point hitch of a Ford tractor, working by myself instead of waiting for my wife to help. Mashed the fool out of my finger when I laid the beast on the ground. I've never owned an AC with snap coupler. How does it work? Can it lift implements up/down. Why did this system loose out to the 3 point hitch? Just curious.
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ACD19farmboy
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 160 |
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Three point probly out beat snap-coupler because lots of other tractor comanies had 3-point hitch and because you have to take the draw bar and toung out to put the bottom part of the snap-coupler unit into its bell where the toung also "snaps" into place. but i think a Snap-Coupler unit allowed the tractor work easier with more power
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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826 |
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Snap coupler system you can back up to the implement as any angle, and if the snap coupler eye is at the right height, you can "snap" it in, pull the implement forward to get it square and then hook up the two lift arm latches, and lift up and go. 3 point is much harder to hook up in my opinion then snap coupler.
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Dave (NE)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Eagle Nebraska Points: 2140 |
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I think the biggest drawback is handling the drawbar. If it wasn't for the need to remove it to use the snap coupler equipment, then replace it to pull something regular, it is nice. Sometimes getting the drawbar manhandled back on can be a pain, especially with the larger tractors.
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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This film on the WD45 tractor with a snap coupler hitch will answer your questions best the hitch info will be at the end of film.
I have a 3 point hitch on one of my WD45s I use it to pull the newer 3 point stuff and I don't like putting 3point stuff on or removing it from the tractor, I have to get the tractor set just right to install and lose hide haft the time I remove it. lol
Don Edited by Don(MO) - 28 Mar 2010 at 1:04pm |
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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wfmurray
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Bostic NC Points: 1225 |
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I thank what sold the 3 point hitch was when Ford and Fegerson split. One farmer could swap implements with another . I have both the snap coupler and 3 point.If you can man handle the equipment the 3 point works pretty good . A/ C is better.
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Rick of HopeIN
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Hope, Indiana Points: 1311 |
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I used lots of three point equipment in the sixties and seventies and by then it was way too big to 'manhandle' to align. As the equipment got larger they figured out ways to help align the lift eyes. The Deere and Case tractors for sure had sliding lift arm ends so it was not too bad.
I seem to recall the snap coupler sickle bar mower we had took it's share of manhandling to get hooked up. Even that D14 size drawbar was no picnic, we usually left it in the weeds and had several piece of equipment with three point adaptors. I agree, pulling the drawbar and replacing it was a big pain and maybe that did the SC system in but I suspect the numbers just finally won out. Once plows got to semi mounted size the three point system (only using the lower two) worked about the same. |
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Jack(Ky)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ky Points: 1153 |
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I think the handy thing with SC is the fact that when you hook it up it is still adjusted just like the last time you used it.JP
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TMiller/NC
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lenoir, NC Points: 1774 |
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I back up to a post that supports the shed roof and tie the post hole digger to it before starting to unhook from the tractor, I know about mashed fingers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jls
Silver Level Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Points: 138 |
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I wish henry ford & harry Fergeson to hades every time I hook up a 3 pt. impl. I suspect it was a plot to sell additional tractors! As for the trouble with a drawbar, just balence the sucker on a big block, poke it into the bell, then rock the back up on your knee and slide the back yoke into the pins and clip it in. You do have to sit on the ground to balence it on your knee but compared to wiggling a cat 2 or 3 3 pt. into place especially with some of the newer tractors (almost a cluth really a brake pedal) a snap coupler drawbar even under a 190 is a lark!
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CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22818 |
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I guess John(CIL) had a good idea about having the drawbar toss as a sport at AC shows. The only time I had trouble with a drawbar is when I added about 30 lbs to mine with a home made bracket for my JD sickle mower.
I think Harry Ferguson got a big jump on the Snap couple hitch by having the 3pt in service too many years before SC came out. |
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Mojo
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Points: 107 |
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I'd always heard that the snap coupler design was too weak to handle the higher horsepower that was coming out. Works beautifully on WD sized tractors. I love it.
mojo/Mike |
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DSeries4
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7330 |
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The snap coupler was like the Beta video tape of the 80's. Although the VHS came out first, it became the industry standard (even though Beta was better).
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Lonn
Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29781 |
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If snap coupler would have lasted I think they would have come up with a hydraulic way to hook the drawbar back up without manhandling it. Like how these new loaders slide on and off your tractor. I know all 3-point 190 and 180 etc. had the sliding draft arm for easier hookup but still I've fought certain things like the snowblower.
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Mojo
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Points: 107 |
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Also heard that AC kept the snap coupler design and wouldn't let any outside companies use it hoping to sell more implements. Ford let everyone and his brother use the 3 pt, therefore there were more offbrand implements made.
I still prefer the snap coupler hands down. mojo/Mike |
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Lonn
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I don't know if Ford let anyone use the 3-point. The patents probably ran out. That's back when they allowed patents to run out. Now it seems nothing does.
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Denis in MI
Orange Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Norvell, MI Points: 832 |
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3 point patents went out in 47, that is why alot of little tractor companies sprung up for 3 or 4 years with tractors that had three point hitches. Ford never acctually held the patent, Harry Ferguson did and they agreed to go into buisness with the ford ferguson 9n, and then the 2n, But when the 8n came out ford dropped fergusons name from the tractor which led to him suing ford.
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CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22818 |
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Ford never owned any patents on the 3 point hitch. Harry Ferguson owned it. Ford lost a lawsuit with Ferguson and had to pay him for using the 3pt.
The success of the three-point hitch on Ford N-series tractors led other
manufacturers to begin building their own versions of the hitch. Most
major manufacturers developed a a similar hitch, each with variations to
avoid violating Ferguson's patents. By 1960, Ferguson's patents had
expired and a judge refused to extend them, noting their value to
agriculture. The three-point hitch specifications became standardized in
the industry by American Society of
Agricultural Engineers (ASAE S217) and, later, the International
Organization for Standardization (ISO 730-1).
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bigfish_Oh
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: West Liberty,Oh Points: 1226 |
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off topic --- what made the decision between beta and VHS ?? I have heard one answer to what forced vhs as the format that stayed. |
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Denis in MI
Orange Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Norvell, MI Points: 832 |
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I guess I was editing mine while you were posting
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CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22818 |
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And David Brown was the first tractor with a 3 pt hitch 6 years before Ford.
Ferguson began experimenting with mounted plows while working for the Irish Board of Agriculture. His early work with mounted plows used a modified Ford model T automobile and later a Fordson model F tractor. Ferguson's mounting system evolved from two link arms (one top, one bottom) to three, and from spring-assisted lift to hydraulics. He met with a number of tractor manufacturers and eventually reached a deal with David Brown in 1933, resulting in the production of the Ferguson-Brown model A, with Ferguson's three-point system. By 1937, however, poor sales and disagreements between Ferguson and Brown caused production to stop. |
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22399 |
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Sorry to see/hear that finger ! Been there..done that.
The easy cure is to have two tractors,one 3point, the other sc. I bought a [Ford 2n] so that I could 'timeshare' implements with neighbours.
Now that I have 2 D-14s I'm looking to make an SC/3pt adapter then I can sell off the unorange tractor,although it is fun to drive on my 'huge' 1 acre 'farm'.
Jay
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Burgie
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Scottsburg, IN Points: 1192 |
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I have a good set up on my D15 series II. I have the snap coupler with a Cross 3pt adapter. The traction booster works with the 3 pt. WORKS GREAT.
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TomYaz
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10323 |
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Beta was "better" but the big difference was a VHS tape could store considerably more video.-- at least thats what I heard on the History Channel
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bigfish_Oh
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: West Liberty,Oh Points: 1226 |
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The "porn" industry had adopted the VHS and was such a single large user(at last an easy method for distribution), that everyone else followed. They choose it for those popular reasons.
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RMD
Silver Level Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Connecticut Points: 300 |
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There is an economic aspect to it. With the 3 point more of the linkage stays with the tractor. Snap-coupler implements need more steel to make up the linkage, so they are more expensive. |
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JC-WI
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 33805 |
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If you are plowing with mounted plow, the snap coupler was the cadilac of them all. Here is the reason why, if you get into tough spots and the traction booster kicksin, it will start raising the plow, and if its really tough going and the front end starts floating up, the front of the plow hitch thats snapped in the coupler is ahead of the rear axels and the bell starts to raise and gives a lift to the plow to reduce the load and sorta prevents further rearing of tractor. Whereas the 3 point plow starts to pull hard and the tractor starts to 'rear up', the 3 point arms go down and farther and the tractor rears more and faster when the lift system might be trying to lift at the same time.
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