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JoeO(CMO) 
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 9:04am |
I have been approached by a buyer for hay off my CRP ground, a mixture of hay, warm and cool season grasses,not real good due to the drought but edible, would probably yield 1-2 large bales/acre. I am looking for a fair price to charge per acre. Any ideas?
I know of the shortage to none in areas and aware of high prices but I will remain fair.
This is not a good situation to be in for anyone so I will remain fair to everyone involved.
I already know it will be resold.
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 9:50am |
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You bale off your CRP ground and didn't have to buy back the whole contract? You must not have gotten caught. You might now since you posted it or are they allowing it this year because of the drought. In the past, during droughts, they allowed grazing or baling for your use but never knew you could sell it off.
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JoeO(CMO)
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 10:14am |
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Its called drought emergency! Just released Wednesday!!
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Dale H. ECIL
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 10:42am |
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Our CRP land has been released here in IL. but as Charlie said we can not sell it, you can donate it but not sell. Our grass here is so dry on the CRP it is not worth baling anyway.
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 10:53am |
 JoeO(CMO) wrote:
I have been approached by a buyer for hay off my CRP ground, a mixture of hay, warm and cool season grasses,not real good due to the drought but edible, would probably yield 1-2 large bales/acre. Last year there were 127 bales off of 34 Acres, and would probably be around half that this year. I am looking for a fair price to charge per acre. Any ideas?
I know of the shortage to none in areas and aware of high prices but I will remain fair.
This is not a good situation to be in for anyone so I will remain fair to everyone involved.
I already know it will be resold. |
Seeing this is Federal ground , i would think rules are the same , with possibly a different date for mowing / nesting dates . What i was told was with the Emergency release a person with a 50 acre contract would be able to mow /harvest not more than 50 % of that contract , this with a 10 % reduction in payment .Contract Holder CAN NOT ..Charge any more than payment reduction .. Big difference from the release in 88 . IN Wisconsin we have from August 2nd till August 31 to harvest .. grazing ..one has until September 30 ...
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 11:11am |
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 1:15pm |
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Here in SW MO fescue is selling for $70.00 per bale. Not sure if those are 4 or 5 foot bales.
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 1:28pm |
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i offered 100 acre to a guy and he laughed. so some on else must have offer alot more than me
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 1:47pm |
USDA secretary Tom Vilsack announced last week that counties designated
as D2 on the Drought Monitor could be released by the FSA State
Committee after the ending nesting date of July 15 in Nebraska. Vilsack
also announced a reduction in the emergency haying and grazing payment
reduction from 25% to 10% to assist in drought response. CRP participants need to file a request to graze or hay at their local
office. CRP use includes specific rules for haying and/or a grazing plan
to insure consistent uses of the land. An additional approval was
granted this year for practice CP-25, Rare and Declining Habitat, to
allow grazing for the first time. So there is a haying or grazing cost also and I don't think they pay you 
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 10:38pm |
Here is a copy of the letter my local FSA office sent me Joe. Its a federal proogram
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The Jasper County Farm Service Agency (FSA) announces the opportunity for Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) participants to request authorization to conduct emergency haying or grazing on specific CRP Acres. Authorization is based on the current U. S. Drought Monitor D2: Severe Drought designation for Jasper County. Eligible producers who are interested in Emergency Haying or Grazing of CRP land located in Jasper County must request and obtain individual written approval from FSA BEFORE any haying or grazing begins.
Additionally, please note the following requirements:
- Eligible producers who are interested in emergency haying and/or grazing of CRP must request approval from the Jasper County Farm Service Agency BEFORE haying and/or grazing eligible acreage. They must visit the FSA office to fill out the appropriate paperwork and be approved.
- Emergency haying or grazing is restricted to specific practices that are 12 months past being determined as fully established by the agency. Introduced and permanent native grass practices enrolled under general CRP practice eligibility are among those eligible practices. Continuous CRP practices such as filter strips, field borders, and waterways are NOT ELIGIBLE for haying or grazing at any time. Additionally, emergency haying or grazing is not allowed within 120 feet of any stream or water body.
- If approved, the haying authorization will become effective August 2, 2012, which is after the wildlife nesting and brood rearing season in Illinois and shall not exceed August 31, 2012. The authorization to graze also will begin on August 2, 2012 not to exceed September 30, 2012.
- Producers must obtain a modified Conservation Plan from the Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) that includes haying and/or grazing requirements.
- There will be a 10 percent CRP annual payment reduction based on the number of acres actually hayed or grazed.
- Upon approval of emergency haying, producers must leave at least 50 percent of each field or contiguous fields un-hayed for wildlife.
- Producers who are interested in grazing must leave at least 25 percent of each field or contiguous CRP fields un-grazed for wildlife, or graze not more than 75 percent of the stocking rate as determined by NRCS.
- The same CRP acreage cannot be both hayed and grazed. In addition, participants are limited to one hay cutting and are not permitted to sell any of the hay.
- Producers who do not own or lease livestock may rent or lease the haying or grazing privilege to an eligible livestock producer. Both the CRP producer and the livestock producer must fill out the appropriate paperwork at the FSA office and receive approval. If land is rented or leased it may not be rented/leased for more than the applicable payment reduction applied for the emergency authorization.
Please contact the office to verify the eligibility of your conservation practice and/or to request approval for emergency haying or grazing of CRP acres. |
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Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 10:54am |
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Im glad ur being fair on the price Joe, some prices are rediculous on hay, alot of good cows are being slaughtered but what do you do, no grass, no hay, we need rain terrible! !
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Posted: 28 Jul 2012 at 11:57pm |
The problem with the haying on the crp ground around here,is its burn up just like the crops. Would it even be worth baling ? I guess it would be better then snowballs this winter.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 12:11pm |
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i kno of guys baling this crap, selling it for 70 bucks a round bale - laughing all the way , i told them they will be payed back for this , and not in a good way , thats bs ; the only way it would be any good is to grind it and mix with other feed ; real expensive
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 12:16pm |
DougG wrote:
i kno of guys baling this crap, selling it for 70 bucks a round bale - laughing all the way , i told them they will be payed back for this , and not in a good way , thats bs ; the only way it would be any good is to grind it and mix with other feed ; real expensive |
SEE who is laughing when they get turned in to the Feds ..
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 12:50pm |
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I don't farm myself but I do help a farmer with the fall harvest. I've spent most suppers helping farmers when I was growing up during school vacations and even a couple of years after high school. I can't believe you can't do whatever you want with your own land. Is everybody OK with that? I guess I'm just not in the know.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 3:27pm |
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You can do what you want with your own land. At some point you made the decision to lease it to the government for a length of time. The government pays a handsom rent (in our area anyway) and requires you to do or not do certain things to the land that it leases. The penalty for not following thru on your word is repayment of all contract proceeds and a penalty payment of a percentage of the contract payment. Those of us who signed up knew what we were getting into and if we farmers break our word then we should be punished. Also it is the responsibility of those of us that are taxpayers to turn in to the FSA or NRCS staff anyone who is in violation or may be in violation of the CRP contract.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 3:29pm |
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Correct me if i am wrong, but if i understand the CRP program (which I may not), isn't allowing the ground to be harvested or grazed akin to "food stamps" for Farmers?
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 3:36pm |
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If a person has only CRP land, and the land is released for harvest you claim the harvest cannot be sold only given away or used for your own use?
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 5:00pm |
Richard wrote:
I don't farm myself but I do help a farmer with the fall harvest. I've spent most suppers helping farmers when I was growing up during school vacations and even a couple of years after high school. I can't believe you can't do whatever you want with your own land. Is everybody OK with that? I guess I'm just not in the know.
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As said you can do what you want with you land, BUT if you are in CRP, you signed a contract with the government to rent the ground to them. If you sign a contract with your neighbor, rent the ground to him and he plants grass and hay, he might be real upset if you cut the hay and sold it to someone else after he paid for rent and seed. Pretty simple.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 5:03pm |
Reed(UT) wrote:
Correct me if i am wrong, but if i understand the CRP program (which I may not), isn't allowing the ground to be harvested or grazed akin to "food stamps" for Farmers? |
If you do the proper paperwork, the Feds deduct from your total payment if you graze or bale from the CRP ground.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 9:23pm |
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If it is low quality grass hay depending on bale size, it should sale between 30-50 bucks a bale and that's if it is a good heavy well packed bale. As long as livestock consume a good content of roughage with minimal vitamins and nutrients they can still be substituted a "pasture plus" type feed, like corn-corn gluten for cattle and a good oat or sweet feed for horses. Livestock need to injest roughage for their digestive system to opperate successfully, it pushes the poo out in layman's terms. So if it low quality and you get 2 bales per acre and he does all the work, split it with him and givem a bale per acre, or both and you charge him for a bale. Just my 2 cents.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 10:04pm |
Its real simple. You leased it to the Government for a specified amount of years. (10-15). That is there crop of hay, but they are letting you use it if you have cattle. If you sell it, it would be no different, then taking beans off of your ground that you have cash rented to a farmer and selling them. You can not sell hay off of CRP ground, if you do you are stealing and can go to prison.
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