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   After trying to ferris wheel bolt out both directions unsuccessfully I reconed it was dremel time.  Air grinder with 3/8 bit like the Doctor said.  I helt a similar bolt to the hole and marked 3 points if the hex head; every other one.  We ground the threads back in those 3 places and after vacuuming and flushing like a dentist would do Ian gave her a mighty tug and out she came with him tumbling to the ground!  It is indeed one of those grade8 carrier bolts.  I have flushed the gears and cavity with diesel.  I ran the drain hole plug in all the way tight with my FINGERS!  No kidding, the dremel tool kicked but and didnt harm the threads that are left.  So now I am off to get bearings, seals, orings, etc.  

The reason the ferris wheel wouldnt work is the bolt bept catching and I couldn't turn the ax.  We have inspected the bull and pinion and all looks well, some wear but no chips, dings, or broken teeth at all. Thanks to all for suggestions and support and Dr Allis thank you for the tip on wallowing out some threads so the head would clear.  When threading in the plug so I could flush the system, it doesn't wiggle or wallow at all.  Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Capt Dana

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captaindana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Fort Plain, NY Points: 2546	Post Options Post Reply Quote captaindana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Sweet XT success Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 9:21am
	After trying to ferris wheel bolt out both directions unsuccessfully I reconed it was dremel time. Air grinder with 3/8 bit like the Doctor said. I helt a similar bolt to the hole and marked 3 points if the hex head; every other one. We ground the threads back in those 3 places and after vacuuming and flushing like a dentist would do Ian gave her a mighty tug and out she came with him tumbling to the ground! It is indeed one of those grade8 carrier bolts. I have flushed the gears and cavity with diesel. I ran the drain hole plug in all the way tight with my FINGERS! No kidding, the dremel tool kicked but and didnt harm the threads that are left. So now I am off to get bearings, seals, orings, etc. The reason the ferris wheel wouldnt work is the bolt bept catching and I couldn't turn the ax. We have inspected the bull and pinion and all looks well, some wear but no chips, dings, or broken teeth at all. Thanks to all for suggestions and support and Dr Allis thank you for the tip on wallowing out some threads so the head would clear. When threading in the plug so I could flush the system, it doesn't wiggle or wallow at all. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Capt Dana

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Bob D. (La) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Louisiana Points: 25529	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob D. (La) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 9:41am
	Good dealo Capn. Now off to bigger and better things. Well, after you get it back together and refilled with that nasty oil. Glad you got it done.
	When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!!

D17JIM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Points: 340	Post Options Post Reply Quote D17JIM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 11:49am
	Capt. I have followed this somewhat and I wondered where the bolt came from ? Jim

TexasAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Texas Points: 396	Post Options Post Reply Quote TexasAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 3:20pm
	Capt. I have a 190 XT I am looking at that has a bad rear end. After all the experiance you just gained i think I will trailer it up your way and let you tear into it.
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TREVMAN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Location: Regina,Sask,Can Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote TREVMAN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 6:50pm
	Well done Dana, Trev.

Gerald J. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerald J. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 7:35pm
	You do have less strength. I'd think about making a soft copper or aluminum gasket if not a neoprene gasket. Interrupted threads are how the breach of many a howitzer has a dozen threads to hold the pressure, yet takes only a quarter or 1/3 turn to lock. Gerald J.

JC-WI Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 34271	Post Options Post Reply Quote JC-WI Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 11:41pm
	Captain, I see you have it out now, but did you try real heavy sticky grease and applied it the gear? Then shove bolt up into the grease with the head hanging over the side of the gear on which ever side would have been the greater clearance, then rotate to pinion gear area and take out. At least that would have been what I would have tried... or ran a wire down with a loop and fished it out..ah,er, tried to fish it out.

JPG AUSTRALIA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Points: 761	Post Options Post Reply Quote JPG AUSTRALIA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 12:48am
	WELL DONE! its the best feeling when your stuck for awhile and you come out on top!You enjoy your machine a lot more when you know it well and you have worked on every part of it.

captaindana Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Fort Plain, NY Points: 2546	Post Options Post Reply Quote captaindana Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 4:32am
	JC yeah I spent hours fishing. The bull gear leaves hardly any room. I had the ferris wheel deal with grease jammed from the front which was the shortest distance;scared me so that I was glad several times to get it back to the bottom. When I tried from the back it wouldn't get to or past that 90* [3:00] position. After just so long I concluded this was crazy, I could spend forever messing with this thing in the 90* sun. Gerald I hope I dont need howitzer breech strength here. It seems to have a good gasket but I can get a thicker and softer one and even safety wire. I took a sawzall and grinder so next time I need to remove brake housing it will lift right off and out of the way.