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    Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 8:51pm
Good Evening everybody, first off my name is bob and a year ago this month we bought an AC D-12 S/N 1779. My wife and I due to the Marine Corps live in Maysville NC ( thought it would be bad but we've come to really enjoy it here. Back on topic, we bought our AC it was in bad shapr with the sheet metal and the carb and some other minor things. We used our AC for the first couple of months for bush hogging and some other small jobs around the house. I did not think to much about the AC until my father came in to town from texas. He saw our new addition and i watched his eyes glaze over like a memory flashed through his head. He told me that when he was growing up on the farm in indiana he used a D-10 and D-12 high clearence for years. it was then that my wife and i decided to restore the tractor to a working potential( not show room ) we stilll us the tractor every weekend and here in lies my problem and my question ( hopefully many to follow ) the starter on my AC went out so i took it off and found the serial number on the delco remy tag 1107466. I have an i&t manual and was looking and it trying to figure some things out and found out that the starter and the distributor belong on a d-14. Is that usual for this particular year. i do have many more questions and looking through almost 200 pages of topics i think that im in the right place. everybody here seems to be extremly knowledgable on the subject thank you for any help
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   Welcom aboard
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Bob, first of all Thank You for your service in the Corps and welcome to the Forum. There are many knowledgeable  (myself not included) members on here that are able to help with just about any problem. The distributors will interchange and the starter probably will also. When you say the starter went out, does it not turn at all or does the bendix not engage the flywheel? Not turning could be as simple as bad electrical connections.
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Since this is an early D 12 I would think it uses the manual starter switch and not a solenoid. Make sure all your connections are clean and tight. If you need a new switch the suppliers that advertise on here are nice to deal with and very helpful.
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bob - from another new guy -  yes, you are definitely in the right place for AC questions of any kind.  knowledge, experience and generosity pervade.
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Bob, that you for your service in the Corp!! Welcome to the AC Forum, the best there is!
Your D12 should have a 138 cu in engine. This is basically a CA engine (125 cu in) bored out to 138 and later to 149. The carb, dist and many other parts interchange. The original 125 engine used a non-adjustable main jet and the D-14 used an adjustable jet. I don't know which one was on a D12. As for your starter, when you say it went out, what do you mean? It could be as simple as removing the band and sanding the commutator(no emery cloth). You may also need brushes. If your not willing to tackle it yourself, look for a "starter and generator" shop. Bob 
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Welcome neighbor.  Thanks for your service for this country.  Also this is a great place to learn about Allis tractors and the best way to repair or restore them.  I went thru a little B 4 years.  You can't a better place for answers to any questions or leads on the parts you need.  Hope you enjoy your stay here.   
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Hey guys let me give you a little more info on the starter. I went out to run the 5 ft Bush hog and ran like a champ for about 6 hrs. My wife and I stopped to Hand clear some brush l, the tractor sat for about two hrs underneath a shade tree. I jumped back on to continue my work, it ran for about ten min ( I was on a steep left hand side slope) I straightened out and it died. I figured being on the side slope flooded the carb, so I let it

set for an hour or so took off the carb, checked the oil bath air filter and attempted to start. It engaged once with no luck so i went to get my truck. Hooked it up with a chain and towed back to the house. After letting it set overnight I went out to attempt to start and nothing. So i assumed the battery ,took it in
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Had orilley check battery and it was good . I came home aattempt start again and then nothing So i put my hand on the starter, it was hot. I pulled it off, and called the two experts( father in law, my grandfather) the two people that a 27 year old novice can call that probably know more about the tractor than the manufacturer lol they said that its probably burned out so. Any help or advise would be extremely helpful. Ill keep everyone updated
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Welcome to the Orange family Bob! And as the others said, Thank You for your service as well as your wife's, in the Corp!! First thing you wanna check is your Battery. The Battery is always overlooked after a bunch of money is spent on something not needed. If the Battery draw tests out okay, move on to your connections. Make sure the Battery cables are in excellent shape, and inspect them for green corrosion around and in the cables at the terminal ends. All this stuff adds to a king size voltage drop to the starter. If all cables, switches to the starter look good and operate correctly, then its time to pull the starter motor and have it checked and put through some tests at a local rebuilder. Let us know how ya made out. Again, welcome aboard solder!
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If I recall correctly the D-10 - D-12 battery box was behind the seat.  That means that the electric has a rather long way to go so listen closely to the above.  Bad battery and connections can cause real problems especially since the battery is so far away from the starter. 
If you still have a problem call Steve NJ.  He is our resident electrical expert and his shop B&B can give you whatever service you require.
Thanks again for your service.  The Marines are an outstanding outfit.
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Thanks Steve ill try to find a shop and when I get home today ill check all the wires I'm hoping that I didn't burn out the starter, I looked online at Steiner tractor parts and the have a replacement for 400 bucks a little steep but its worth it
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Bob, welcome to the forum, and thanks for your service. I don't know if it would help at all but there is a older guy in town here that rebuilds starts and alternators everyday. It is his business/full time job. He has rebuilt many for me already (he does exceptional work) and he is priced very reasonalble usually. Either way just thought I would let you know incase you needed help in that department.
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Hey buddy can you give me an address to your rebuild guys
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Welcome Bob -- lots of good advise can be found here and good folks willing to help out. If you are in Maysville, must be stationed at either Cherry Point or Lejune --- my son is stationed at New River, just returned from 2 yrs in Okinawa. --- Has a few acres just outside Willard. i was just down there returning his vehicles that were stored in my barn-- saw an interesting looking WD45 for sale sitting in Willard. Son said it's been for sale for a long time -- your and your wife might check it out - that's how it happens, one tractor is not enough, LOL
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I am stationed at lejeuene and its good to hear that you son came back ill have to go have a look and your right we have +\- 5 acres and my beautiful wife wants goats so its something that i could work with
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Hi and welcolme! thankyou for your sevice also All the above is excelent advice, as you work down the list if all the above checks out look at the flywheel gear teeth -- when they get worn out the starter can get "locked up " the drive gear on starter and the flywheel gear. At that point the starter will not turn   As for the starter work i'm not a expert on them and like sugested I take them to a shop that specializes in this type of work.  Yesterday I bought a tractor that hasn't ran in about 10 years. Befor I bought it I wanted to see if it was stuck so I took the starter off and used a bar to turn the engine. as long as it was off it is now at the starter repair shop getting checked out. When I go to start the old tractor I will know that the starter will work.--- keep us posted!
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Have you tried the starter when not mounted to the tractor ? My "c" did that once , as mentioned above a spot on the ringgear was bad and caused it to be "stuck" turned the motor by hand and put it back on, ringgear replacement is on the list... My brother is a Marine thank you for your service. Mike
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Browner alternator and starter service.
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Hi Neighbor.  I,m located near Trenton.  My only tractor is a 52 B that I use primarily for mowing with rear mount Woods Mower.  Been on forum for about 5 years and a lot of helpful advice from a lot of good and experienced men has been shared.  I can recommend Auto Generator & Starter in Kinston at 601 N Heritage St (252-527-5019).  They are an old and experienced repair shop and could probably do anything need for testing & repair.  Where are you located in relation to Maysville?  Will help in any way possible.  George Davenport
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Hello buddy I'm located in belgrage on mattocks rd I'm gonna look in to the repair shop thank you
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There should be a reputable starter/alt. shop near you in eastern NC. If not I'm just west of Winston Salem NC and have access to a very good shop. If I can help you out please let me know.
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First of all, thank you and your wife for your service. Second, welcome to the best forum in the known world.

As for the starter, I have had several different things go on. Most have been covered above. Understand I am by no means an expert. If you are fairly mechanically inclined, starters are not really complex machines. I have "rehabbed" several for my Bs and Cs. I take them off, put them in the vice, and take them apart carefully. The ones I have all have dowel pins to locate the main components, so they are hard to put back together wrong. I find that a good general cleaning and sanding of all the contact areas(commutator, brushes, armature, and switch) will usually get them working fine. If you have bad bushings or a bendix(mechanical drive), you may want to take it to a shop. One thing I do with the commutator is to take a fine edged tool and carefully scrape between the commutator segments to clean out any metal. Make sure to use a mild electrical cleaner on the armature and stator, so you dont eat through the varnish on the windings. Sorry for the long post. Hope it helps.

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Bob welcome aboard. Thank you for your service! My son is a LCPL at Cherry Point. He is in Q-4 Squadren working on the Prowlers.
Good luck with your starter. I'd get yours rebuilt before buying a new one. There maybe some here in the classifieds.
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Thank You for your service, and Welcome to the forum.
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Bob -  be sure to let us know what you do to get your tractor running again. Your experience may help somebody else --- making you the "expert".  I'm with your wife - would like to get some goats, just like them. 5 acres is about what my son has -- uses a Mahindra tractor, can't believe it, LOL  He had horses before his deployment - sold them - don't know what he is going to do now.
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Hey Jim I'm gonna try some things out. Some good advice came from my father in law he is a master electrician ill let everyone know horses in my opinion are a money pit but they are good to.look at lol
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Bob, have you had the starter checked at a shop?  My B was famous for that before I figured out what it was doing.  As someone stated, the starter drive was somehow getting stuck when it kicked in to turn the flywheel and wouldn't kick back out when you released the button/switch.  And.....when you tried it again, nothing happened.  The B had a bolt that locked the starter in place and all I had to do was loosen it, wiggle the starter and could feel/hear it when the drive popped back in place.  It seemed to do it worse when the battery was a little weak.

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Just wanted to say thank you, and your wife, for your service.
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Just want to say HI and welcome to the best forum this side of everything.
THANKS to you both for your service, your hardship and your love of country.
Had one that stuck like that too, just hit it with a hammer and it clicked back in.  Hope yours is that easy a solution.
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