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TomYaz 
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 6:43pm |
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If its not an All-Crop, it all crap!
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 6:57pm |
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Looks awesome Tom! Thanks for the update.
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 6:58pm |
Tom,
I have been following your 'new' All Crop build since the beginning, like everyone else. This has got to be one of the coolest projects, that I have ever seen on here.
Keep up the great work!
Don
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 7:05pm |
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That, Tom, is gorgeous! I can appreciate the time and work you are putting into it! keep it up!
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 7:07pm |
Thanks guys..
You notice anything peculiar about the grain pan pic?
1. Has a cleanout.
2. The above shaft that turns the pitman is NOT wrapped in the metal from the above table. That is because the shop bent the wrap too tight. Cut it off. For the better anyway. One can now keep that shaft well oiled so it can be pulled out during servicing. Otherwise when wrapped by the tin, you cant get to it and it gets rusty, making pull out problematic. Verision 2.0 of that table will have a bent hood over the shaft instead of
the complete wrap around giving it the sheilding but still can grease it.
3. Of course you guys see the fan bearing replacement....is "off the shelf" but was still hard to size. The distance between the center of the bearing and top flange had to be tight so the fan isnt mounted too low causing it to hit the fan housing bottom. Only found this one make that had such spec.
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 7:17pm |
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tom. keep at it. will have 20 acre of beans for you to take off this fall when you swing through ohio with the all crop "bean special". sweet...........tp studer. wooster,ohio.
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 7:32pm |
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Tom, I am going to go out on a limb here and say the allcrop has more parts on it than the chopper I just finished. Good work.
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 7:51pm |
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Very nice work Tom!! I enjoy all the updates you post about it! Looking forward to seeing field trial photos. Ryan
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 10:37pm |
 Michael (WI) wrote:
Tom, I am going to go out on a limb here and say the allcrop has more parts on it than the chopper I just finished. Good work. |
Took a look at your chopper; actually I would think yours is more complicated than mine.
Dont let the large size of mine fool you..
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Posted: 04 Feb 2012 at 10:45pm |
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Tom, it looks great. Will it have as many grease fitting as the original? That was my job to grease it when Dad pulled it out of the shed, have forgotten how many were on the 66 but it was a bunch. Wouldn't complain if I could have that combine back though. Also, how much would one of these cost a to buy when you get thru with it? Or do I even want to know?
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 12:18am |
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If you have to ask, you can't afford it!
Nice work Tom, getting real close. That clean out is a great addition.
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 8:08am |
Wendell(OK/TX) wrote:
Tom, it looks great. Will it have as many grease fitting as the original? That was my job to grease it when Dad pulled it out of the shed, have forgotten how many were on the 66 but it was a bunch. Wouldn't complain if I could have that combine back though. Also, how much would one of these cost a to buy when you get thru with it? Or do I even want to know? |
Well I eliminated two with that new fan bearing, and the replacement bearings for the pitman are sealed, so I guess 4 were eliminated.
If you need to ask you cant afford it.
Things I learned.....
Takes a ridiculous amount of man hours. It would be cheaper to build a new clone-sort of. Every part would need to be drafted, prototype made, tooling made for the stamped parts...so you would need a lot of capital up front just to spec it out, then a lot of capital to buy the parts in quantities to get cost savings there. The per unit cost would also go down with reduction of costs for rehabbing.
In conversations people start talking about making major mods to the machine...well that would jack the price. Got to keep it simple stupid. Can do a few things...standarized bearings, bigger grain tank, but cant get carried away or you defeat the purpose of trying to make a easy to service simple machine. Also, the simplicity of the machine makes the parts simpler, and cheaper, to make.
The market would not be for your commodity farmers. Rather the under 100 acre specialty/organic/seed farmers who produce a high value product. I have talked to a lot of these guys and they are begging for such a machine. Problem is the size of market is hard to figure...hard to get capital/investors without such info.
A comparable machine is still made in Turkey and is 18K FOB Turkey. Lot more sophisticated machine, but in my mind, that is not necessarily a good thing. K.I.S.S.!
Given enough start up capital, I think one could be made for under $25K
I have no plans to do anymore except maybe for myself. Just takes too much time, and I couldnt do it for under 25K. I would no longer be willing to pay myself $0/hr for my labor.
Edited by TomYaz - 05 Feb 2012 at 8:09am
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 4:20pm |
Tom, is the metal on the back new or just cleaned up? In your remarks about making a new machine, how much of the work could be done by a CNC machine?
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 6:52pm |
Regie wrote:
Tom, is the metal on the back new or just cleaned up?
In your remarks about making a new machine, how much of the work could be done by a CNC machine? |
CNC could be heavily involved in making a lot of these bearings. Most of them are cast and wouldnt want to make new ones that way.
You got some CNC capability? There is a combination slip clutch/sprocket part that is high on my list...was told it would take a "three axis" CNC....would cost a fortune I bet.
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 8:33pm |
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Great job done Tom. I spent many hours operating an AllCrop starting at 9 years old running an AllCrop 60 with bagger pulled by a WD with curved gear shift.
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 9:03pm |
WD45 wrote:
Great job done Tom. I spent many hours operating an AllCrop starting at 9 years old running an AllCrop 60 with bagger pulled by a WD with curved gear shift. |
My Dad had a MH Clipper...with tank..We just got to hang out in the pickup loaded with the oats and enjoyed the show...no work needed from us kids...maybe thats why it was one of my favorite farm "chores"
Tom
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 9:49pm |
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Tom is there a web site or at least a picture of the Turkish combine. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to see it.
Is your allcrop customer as excited to see it finished as you are?
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 11:07pm |
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That looks fantastic. I can't begin to imagine the hours of labor and planning that are going into bringing that combine back to life! Your attention to detail is impressive. Please continue to keep us informed.
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Posted: 06 Feb 2012 at 7:33am |
JohnCO wrote:
Tom is there a web site or at least a picture of the Turkish combine. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to see it.
Is your allcrop customer as excited to see it finished as you are?
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The customer is in California; I have sent pics...not much comment.
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