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bincitybandit 
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 11:23pm |
Ya, I know it is not the greatest quality, but I bought some online for my current restoration of a D17, which is not to be a show tractor, just want it look orange and have a shine.
I see on the directions that it says to thin 8-1 with mineral spirits and drying time is somenthing obsurd like 10 hours.
So my question is can I thin this stuff at a 2-1 or 3-1 ratio with something like a Nason 441-21 Medium Reducer and still get decent results?
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ctbowles58
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 11:33pm |
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use VMP NAPTHA THINNER it will dry faster also you might want to use a hardner.just thin it until it looks right.
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Roddo
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 6:39am |
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I think thats the same crap paint I bought to paint my plow. It worked well enough, but if your tractor stays in the sun for any amount of time it will be bleached and faded in 2 years.
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allis6080
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 7:04am |
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i have used it before and had no trouble with it. painted some allis and IH tractors. make sure u use med. reducer other wise it will dull the shine and we also used hardner if i remember right 4 part paint 2 part reducer 1 part hardner.if its going to be just a work tractor then it will work just fine!!!! I know valspar paint from tractor supply WILL fade and look like crap. i have seen a few JD's that were painted with valspar and they turned oliver green.
Edited by allis6080 - 15 Dec 2011 at 7:07am
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Butch(OH)
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 7:24am |
Not much differrent than any other low priced paint. We have some stuff that is approching ten years old with that type paint and it still looks working class decent but it stays inside. Sitting outside it wil look like an orange creamsickle in a couple years or less. As for the reducer if you want to have to most miserable painting experiance you can imagine use what they reccomend, mineral spirits. I have used my Omni/PPG Urethane reducers with excellent results and a fellow up the road uses plain ole cheapo laquer (never could spell that word?) thinner.
Our 38WC and a 8-9 year old paint job with farm/fleet paint, PPG reducer and a bit of valspar hardner.
Edited by Butch(OH) - 15 Dec 2011 at 8:11am
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Don(MI)
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 7:29am |
Awesome picture butch.
Can I ask this then?
Whats the difference between the new valspar "Restoration" series paint, and the ol' valspar implement paint at TSC?
Is it really that much better? Think its 40-50 bucks a gallon.
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allis6080
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 7:31am |
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if i remember right i think tisco paint is made by the same company that makes the paint for agco but i could be wrong though.
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Butch(OH)
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 8:03am |
Realy doesnt make any differance whos name is on the can if it is enamel and priced cheaply, like less than $40 per gallon it is Alkyd enamel and has the same traits as all other of same basic chemistry. The restoration series paint mentioned I have never used except I spray bombed a mower deck. To tell you the truth I see little differance between it and regular "implement" paint per above.
Sorry about the gigantic picture above, I forget to check the size when posting and know have it thoroughly screwed up trying to edit it and cannot delete it.
Edited by Butch(OH) - 15 Dec 2011 at 8:15am
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Don(MI)
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 9:17am |
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Thanks butch, I kinda wondered if the paint was the same, in a different can.
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Jeff B
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 12:54pm |
There is nothing wrong with Tisco paint. This tractor was painted using it.
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SenseiCrusher
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 1:01pm |
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I have used the Tisco paint like Jeff, it went on very thin and took over night in warm weather to dry properly. Did 4 coats minimum and the results are good for a working tractor, I am happy. I didn't have to block sand or do any extra steps.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 7:25pm |
I have to paint my C. I don't want it to fade in two years if left in the sun. If true that the Alkyd oil enamels fade in two years I don't want that. And they are slow to dry, could take a week to paint. How do the Acrylic enamels hold up? How about the 2 part single stage urethanes? And the two stage basecoat-clearcoat urethanes? What if I put a urethane clearcoat on top of the two year paint? Are the orange colors prone to fade? I see a lot of lousy looking Kubotas. I haven't been able to find real data. Really frustrating. Some manufactures make all of the above, you would think they would have full test results online. Instead we got the likes of Valspar who can't even tell you what shade of Persian Orange they are aiming for. The Krylon 1820 rattle can, I did a test panel. I went on perfect first shot. It dried FAST. I look on Krylon web site, cannot find a mention of what type of paint it is. So other than being fast and easy and mostly the correct color (I would eyball it as a tad dark in shade), who knows if the first drop of gas will wipe it off, or if it will look like a Creamcicle in two years. The MSDS shows alot of VOC's in there. Merry Christmas.
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:10am |
I took pity on you Butch.....
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:11am |
 BrianC wrote:
I have to paint my C.I don't want it to fade in two years if left in the sun. If true that the Alkyd oil enamels fade in two years I don't want that. And they are slow to dry, could take a week to paint. How do the Acrylic enamels hold up? How about the 2 part single stage urethanes? And the two stage basecoat-clearcoat urethanes? What if I put a urethane clearcoat on top of the two year paint? Are the orange colors prone to fade? I see a lot of lousy looking Kubotas. I haven't been able to find real data. Really frustrating. Some manufactures make all of the above, you would think they would have full test results online. Instead we got the likes of Valspar who can't even tell you what shade of Persian Orange they are aiming for. The Krylon 1820 rattle can, I did a test panel. I went on perfect first shot. It dried FAST. I look on Krylon web site, cannot find a mention of what type of paint it is. So other than being fast and easy and mostly the correct color (I would eyball it as a tad dark in shade), who knows if the first drop of gas will wipe it off, or if it will look like a Creamcicle in two years. The MSDS shows alot of VOC's in there. Merry Christmas. |
The Build-a-B was painted mostly with Krylon 1820. How is it holding up?
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:29am |
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I have used that type paint with xylene thinner and hardener with good results dries fast can go with another coat in 30 minutes I have a 45 that was painted 10 years ago still looks good
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 9:55am |
BrianC wrote:
And the two stage basecoat-clearcoat urethanes?
What if I put a urethane clearcoat on top of the two year paint?
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I'm using Valspar Refinish 999 series basecoat and then the clearcoat.
For my basecoat you must apply the clear within 24 hours or you will need to rescuff the basecoat and re-shoot the base, then apply the clear within 24 hours.
That said I'm thinking the clear will peal off if you apply it over 2 year old paint. May look good for a short time and then start coming off.
Edited by Stan IL&TN - 16 Dec 2011 at 11:54am
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 7:08pm |
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I have a WD that was painted in cheaper tractor paint...like tisco or valspar. If left outside they will fade....mine faded to a orange pink. Then they need repaited...I have tried to some success in using a rubbing compound polish to restore the color... I think if you keep the tractor inside it will be ok ...
By the way, what type of paint did Allis Chalmers use when they painted their tractors back in the 40's and 50's?
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 10:39pm |
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My neighbor has a nice muscle car. The clear coat is peeling off in some areas.
He says they took too long to do some fancy pin striping. Then applied the clear coat
as the window of opportunity closed.
But I was wondering if I used $35 per gallon alkyd oil paint (maybe with hardener).
Then applied a clear coat if such exists for this paint, would my paint last
way longer? Does the proper clear coat make all paint jobs last longer?
equipmentcolor.com sells AIC (Sherwin Williams) acrylic enamel and urethane paints.
They have a PO#1 and PO#2 mix in both types of paint. Has anyone used this paint?
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Posted: 17 Dec 2011 at 8:29am |
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A 2 component single stage urethane is your best bet. You can spill gas and it won't hurt the paint at all. It will also give you 10+ years without fading. The gloss is excellent and if you want more you can add 10-40% clearcoat in the paint with your last coat. Yes its expensive but as a comparison you will have to re-do a tractor 3-4 times with the tisco or TSC valspar to be comparable after 10 years. It all depends on how you want the tractor to look over the next few years.
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