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Diesel cold starting

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    Posted: 01 Sep 2011 at 3:56pm
Am considering a diesel tractor for deer camp in northern MI. Something like a 6040 or 175 or 5040 or 5050, mostly used during summer. No electricity available. Latest use would be mid November, with temps near freezing. Will I be running into starting problems? Maybe stay with gas?
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You should be fine on almost any diesel in good condition without a cold start aid down to around 40 degrees.  Below that, most diesels have some sort of starting aid, such as a thermostart or some other type of intake manifold heater or glow plugs which will get you fired up in freezing conditions.  The perkins in the 175 is supposed to be a really good cold weather starter for a diesel from what I have heard.  But if it's worn out, it doesn't matter what kind of engine you have, it won't want to start in the cold.  Also, generally you will find that non-turbo tractors have a higher compression ration than their turbo counterparts, so that can be something to look for in a tractor that will start easily in cold weather.  For example, naturally aspirated 301s had 16.3:1 compression, whereas all but the earliest turbo 301s were dropped to 15:1 (the 6080 with the 2/3s of a 301, 200 cu in motor, had 14:1 compression if I remember correctly from what I was told due to high boost pressures).

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Gas would be simpler in the long run but don't leave gas in the carb if you leave it sit long. You will need a secure place to store also as it seems the crud of the earth look for things setting unattended . Friend had the generator , regulator, starter , battery and gas stolen from his tractor at his deer camp in norther WI. he had it in a shipping container (metal box) which they cut open and stripped tractor. They tried to remove full tractor but he had enough junk around it they could not pull it out of box.
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Engine has to bee in good condition, that is the main thing, plus you have to have good batteries to get the cranking speed. The morning I went to pick up my D19 it was zero out and of course the batteries in the tractor were only marginal when fully charged, but they were dead anyway so it didn't matter. Hooked a chain to it and drug it 30 feet and it was running.
 
I have found on stubborn tractors when the intake heater isnt enough is just give them a sniff of either while cranking and they will take off. DONT use the heater or glow plug when doing this otherwise when ether hits red hot plug BOOM.
 
Used properly ether will not harm a diesel engine
Used inccorectly it can cause alot of damage in short amount of time
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It doesnt get THAT cold in Mid November here chuck, you will be ok with a diesel as long as it is in good shape with a good battery
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if you have a generator or electricity you can usually plug in a block heater about an hour before you need it and the tractor should start easily, provided the batteries are good
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Thanks for the advice and tips, looks like it is doable since it would not be used during the winter. 
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Use a good 5-40 engine oil for diesel. Okay for all year round - will help a lot for easier starting at any time but esp in cold or cool weather.
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