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SHAMELESS 
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Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 11:58pm |
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ya'll been on wilkes tractors web site lately? se the "white" and the "minny moline" 4x4's on LP? one looks good! i've never seen big 4x4's running on LP before!
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omahagreg
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Posted: 27 Aug 2011 at 9:03am |
This one was restored by a high schooler, and on display at the Iowa State Fair 3 years ago! They said it came out of the oil fields of Oklahoma, where the propane was free-they would just let it blow in the atmosphere!!!
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Greg Kroeker
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Posted: 27 Aug 2011 at 9:07am |
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Shameless, LP is a good fuel, takes a little learning, somewhat different in handling, but power is good! I had a Moline G-1000 on LP and it was STRONG! After I traded it off for a 7060 I finally had enough horse to pull the chisel it worked easily. I figure I was getting al least 135-40 horse from it because my Oliver 1855 @ 119, and my 7000 would not even begin to work it! Not bad for a 108 hp factory tractor! Maybe you remember Dave Stangles G-1000 "Solid Junk" that he ran around all over the country. Proof positive that LP is a serious fuel. And @ 2.20 or so a gallon it's competitively priced again!
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SHAMELESS
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Posted: 27 Aug 2011 at 12:50pm |
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i remember driving an LP jd 4020 once, but i have never seen a big 4x4 on LP! LP tractors on the smaller scale bring less money than AC's on sales around here! hummmmm...
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Posted: 27 Aug 2011 at 12:52pm |
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i hope he gota A+ doing thattractor Greg! that's a good lookin tractor!
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omahagreg
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Posted: 27 Aug 2011 at 1:57pm |
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It was stunning to say the least!
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Greg Kroeker
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Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 9:58am |
Interesting. those 2 were the only LP 4-wheel-drives I have seen too!
Anyone look at the Minneapolis Moline M-604 FWA?
That is a rare one!
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Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 10:11am |
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The biggest reason the A4T minni's were sold on lp, was so the selling dealer could order and install an HD800 lp power unit engine. They often came in on the same truck right from MM so I've been told.
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Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 12:11pm |
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there was an Oliver 4WD with the 800 lp engine at Portland Friday. Very few made, same as MM
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427435
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Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 3:39pm |
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I was the test engineer on the A4T-1400 and A4T-1600 many years ago. MM was the last of the major companies building LP tractors and had a niche market for them in the oil patch. They also sold a lot of the engines as power units to run the oil well pumps in those areas. The engines would run well over 10,000 hrs when the average diesel of the era wouldn't make 2500 hours.
The A4T's were under powered for their weight and size. Putting an HD 800 engine in them really woke them up, but the tranny wouldn't handle that power for long in the lower gears.
The A4T's were phased out when MM and Olive were merged into White Farm Equipment. The MM plant was closed (Minneapolis, MN) at that time and the 4-150 went into production at the Oliver plant in Charles City, Iowa soon thereafter.
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Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 4:59pm |
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427 Im not real knowledgeable on Minnie Mo's, but weren't those 800's close to 250 horse? They were a lot of motor in their day! And yes, cold corned beef is good in a samwich or otherwise!
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Posted: 30 Aug 2011 at 3:47pm |
 Dipstick In wrote:
427 Im not real knowledgeable on Minnie Mo's, but weren't those 800's close to 250 horse? They were a lot of motor in their day! And yes, cold corned beef is good in a samwich or otherwise! |
I don't remember exactly anymore, but 225 to 250 would be about right. A turbo and a little bit of boost would lead to some serious hp. Back in 1972, I and several other engineers worked with a farmer about 45 miles west of Minneapolis on a puller. It was an MM G1050 with a 504 LP gas engine. We put the stock 504 diesel crankshaft and con rods in it along with some special 7:1 pistons. Then put extra valve springs on it (valve float about 3600 rpm) and a Cummins turbo blowing about 15 psi. We also had an alcohol injection system to control detonation. We couldn't hold it with a 650 hp pto dynamometer!!!! I think he took something like 15 first places out of 16 tries that year in Minnesota pulls.
Edited by 427435 - 30 Aug 2011 at 3:48pm
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