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Dennis J OPKs
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Topic: Question for those oldstersPosted: 16 hours 45 minutes ago at 9:14am |
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Going back many years (decades) there were "tenant farmers" who owned no land, only their equipment & personal property. They lived on the farm they operated for an absentee landowner. Sometimes the stay was for many years, and some moved on to another place after a year or two. My question is does that concept still exist-anywhere? This was in eastern NE and I'm sure it happened throughout the farm belt. If it's entirely gone, when did the practice stop. Thanks for any input.
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DMiller
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Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 34351 |
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Posted: 16 hours 3 minutes ago at 9:56am |
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Still see a form of it around these parts. Farms got in trouble in the late 50s into 60s where big money saw a chance at owning large sections US Farming regions. Several around us in Gasconade and Montgomery counties bought the farms yet requested the Family members to stick around as 'Caretakers', has passed from generation to generation on some. Most live in housing the New Owners had constructed for them Rent Free where many original structures were removed, just keep the entire property maintained and ready for instant usage when the Owners come out to 'Play'.
A few have other locals plant and harvest crops as Lease operation.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 16 hours 1 minutes ago at 9:58am |
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I think if you were a farmer that owned A LOT OF GROUND, you could not farm it all yourself... this was a way to get more people to work the ground in exchange for a place to live and pay.......... Proabably some forms of it today, but many disapeared when we got 3-4-500 HP tractors and huge Combines and large farms could be self sufficient with a hand full of workers.... ??
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thendrix
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Posted: 12 hours 50 minutes ago at 1:09pm |
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People try it with chicken farms here but it doesn't work. People decide they want a farm but have no idea how much work it is. When they figure out it's a hell of a lot of work and you can't just set it and forget it, they hire "help" that claim they know what they're doing and usually don't. Not to long before the farm is sold to Asians and the "farmer" says "if we couldn't make it work you can't make it work"
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 9 hours 55 minutes ago at 4:04pm |
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Spend summers on my Uncles farms and they were share croppers in WI - rented farm and house for share of what was produced from crops .
In fact one uncle had milk cows along with crop to feed them but grandparents owned 6 of the cows he milked after they moved off their share cropped farm into old farmhouse just out of Ellsworth WI . One uncle ran 300 acre farm on share crop by Spring Valley WI along with milk herd of 70 cows - Got hurt and gave up the place sold everything except for 10 young stock and one Case tractor .Bought 80 acres near Rush River WI , 10 years later 50 milk cows and 400 acres Other uncle share cropped 80 acres by Ellsworth , then moved down near Spring Valley WI and shared cropped 120 Acres - Farm across the street came up for sale and he went to try to buy it - ended up the owner of the farm he was share cropping bought it and planted trees and put rest in set-aside , so rather then getting the land to farm Uncle ended up on short end - moved a couple years later and bough ta small acreage near Plum City WI Edited by Coke-in-MN - 9 hours 49 minutes ago at 4:10pm |
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Tenn allis
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Posted: 9 hours 40 minutes ago at 4:19pm |
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Tenant farming started here in the south after the civil war or the war of northern aggression 😁 as it was called here years ago but when slavery ended there was a lot of plantations that had no workers if the owners were able to hang onto their property you got to remember that most of their livestock were seized by either army and tho they had housing but very little money to buy horses or mules or inputs
If they could put together enough money or borrow enough then they would let a family tenant farm it for a share of the production which in reality was better than slavery but by the 1950’s that went away as said equipment got larger and the internal combustion engine horses and mules left My father was born in ‘39 and he was a teenager before they got their first tractor times were hard in the hills of Tennessee especially post WW2 just wasn’t any money and no one had any I can remember when I was a lad dad would talk about tenant farming that some would do in our area when he was a lad and showed me some of the houses that they lived in tho they never had any |
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deckape
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Posted: 9 hours 5 minutes ago at 4:54pm |
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In the 60's -early 70's I would spend the summers with my grandfather on his 200 acres farm in Alabama . He did have a 2 allis chalmers tractor but would use the share choppers that lived in the older farm houses through out the farm . These houses and barns were there working farms that were behind in taxes when his father bought that acreage in the 30's 40's . He would ride around to each house and tell them that he would need them and anyone else to hand hoe the peppers , cotton crop or in the hay field . Some had trucks/car or he would pick them up at the road and my grandmother and aunt would show up with a meal at dinner time and feed everyone . Some older women would babysit others small kids while the mothers and older kids would do field work . They were paid at the end of the days work with cash . Most worked small jobs in the farms , chicken houses around the area and each farmer could use them when needed . Each year there were less and those old homes were used for hay storage or torn down .
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DMiller
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Posted: 8 hours 38 minutes ago at 5:21pm |
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Brought back fond memories of Greenville IL, Great Uncle and Aunt owned 200 acres rotated fields for Pasture, Hay, grain crops and fallow, dozen guernsey milk cows hand milked twice a day. Barn was built in late teens not a grand structure but had a milking floor with head clamps, a decent hay loft with a old hay grab we were told to stay the hell away from, and drop holes to the manger where the milked cows would feed. We got that honor as well dropping pads from bales down in summer. Old house was rough, hand built and not as well as barn, when built new house was not much either.
Every harvest the tables on saw horses would arise, the mid day worker feed would happen and tons of food as it seemed to a lad would flow from the summer kitchen stoves. Know everyone worked as hard as rented mules but were fed, were glad to say grace to our Lord for our feasts and Family. Tough way to make a living but had survived Great Depression WWI & II on the place. ben died not long after busted a bale full of Red Hornets, jumped into hog lot where his dogs kept the sow off him, rolled in mud to get the pests off. Stings did their worst, he was pretty well invalid and unable to speak for only a few years then passed. Sad times, yet got to spend summers there until the late 60s. No Share Croppers out that way I ever heard of.
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soggybottomboy
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Posted: 8 hours 6 minutes ago at 5:53pm |
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It is just about all cash rented these days. Many farm houses are 100 years old or more, and the older out buildings don't cut it because youneed volume to make it in todays world. There is more risk for the renter with cash rent, but landowners love it. When the old 50/50 plan was used then the landowner got involved in selling his 50% of the crop, and paying for 50% of the inputs. Cash rent your land, and get a lump sum payment and you are finished. Then you can take off for Florida, or Arizona, or Texas every winter and play golf every day, or play cards every day, or just goof off with friends every day. It is not for me cause I get bored pretty quick and my wife misses the grandkids. We have some local farmers that are paying pretty high rent these days. A favorite trick is to go ahead and rent at a high price, and then beg for a reduction later. It works sometimes.
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DMiller
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Posted: 7 hours 59 minutes ago at 6:00pm |
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Can relate on acreage rent. North of here lands were selling at over $10,000 an acre, hard to make payments on that in Prosperous years, so Land Barons bought and rent to local farmers, they get a great write off as to Investment while the farmers take a beating at close to margin years.
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AC7060IL
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Posted: 7 hours 19 minutes ago at 6:40pm |
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My Dad share cropped his farming career (WWII veteran - 2010 on 750 acres? Usually 60/40 deals. Tenant provided all equipment, labor, & fuel. Tenant & landlord (both) same 60/40 split the inputs (seed, fertilizer, herbicide, & harvested grain), but landlord paid 100% of lime.
Most landlords sold their 40% grain when it was drove over the elevators scales. Not much storages by landlords. Dad stored more & sold some to cash flow. Winter wheat harvested in June was a great cash flow. It usually paid for real estate tax bills on owned 150 acres, house & buildings. Leftover wheat cash paid some of annual operating loan. All straw & hay bales 60/40 too. End of year, harvest over, time to settle up & plan for next year. February frost seeded clover over winter wheat ground. After wheat was harvested, clover get baled 1-2 times before fall frost. Winter Livestock manure spread over poor soils & clover. Most every corn acre was spring plowed then disk/harrowed, then planted. Row cultivators did 1 pass on corn & 2 passes on soybeans. Weed hooks got escapes. Think some landlords acres (by original landowners kids or grandkids now) are still actively crop sharing? Some went to cash rent. Depends on situation. Brother took over from Dad, so just here say presently. Edited by AC7060IL - 6 hours 2 minutes ago at 7:57pm |
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JW in MO
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Posted: 6 hours 27 minutes ago at 7:32pm |
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Grew up share cropping. Seems we moved to a different place every 5 years until in the 70's, the landowner offered to sell Dad the farm we were living on and finance it also. Dad wasn't too high on going into debt that he probably wouldn't live long enough to pay off but Doc sweetened the deal by buying him a new Gretsch electric guitar of his choice. Dad played lead guitar for country dances every Saturday night. Cash renting ended share cropping, all the old houses got dozed in along with the wells. We still have the farm and the guitar.
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