Truck dilemma

I met a Ford dealer yesterday at a tractor pull that was telling me all about how he specializes in only Ford diesel trucks. He had 2 of the HARLY DAVIDSON (HoundDawg) edition specials on a trailer that were only used as pull trucks. And he was pulling the trailer that hauled both with a Newest and latest KING RANCH 4 door. So my guess is that there is plenty of money to be made in the repair business of Ford diesels. Of course I don't know of any Ford diesel lover that their truck doesn't spend more time at the shop than on the road.

If I was in your shoes with what you've described, I'd unbolt the hitch and remove anything of value and that truck would somehow catch fire out back somewhere and then a call to the insurance agent would be made.

Just sounds like owning a boat: a hole in the water to throw money into.

The other option would be to pull the motor for the boat anchor that it is and replace it with a Cummins. The make adapters to put the Cummins into Fords and Chevys, but I've never known anyone to put a PowerJoke or Duracrap into a Dodge.

My ideal truck would be a Chey/GMC Cummins powered with the Allison 10 speed auto.

Edited by PaulB - 3 hours 45 minutes ago at 2:35pm

If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY

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Diesel pickup injection pumps can fail catastrophically, and the specific failure type and resulting damage vary based on the pump design. The most common types of high-pressure injection pumps in modern diesel pickups are the Bosch CP4, the Bosch VP44, and the Bosch CP3.

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Bosch CP4< jsuid="TaUOI_h" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="3a48a20d-2d0f-4e4d-879b-3b4d42712f41" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_g|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_g|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_g|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_g_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_g_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIAhAA" -processed="true" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24">

This high-pressure common rail pump is used in many Ford, GM, and Ram diesel engines from the 2011 model year onward. < jsuid="TaUOI_k" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="ac5dbb14-ab08-4b22-900a-7d640aa9db81" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_j|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_j|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_j|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_j_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_j_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIAxAB" -processed="true" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24">

Typical failure: The CP4 is particularly susceptible to failure due to the insufficient lubricity of American ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel. This can cause the pump's roller lifters and internal pumping components to wear prematurely and generate metal debris.
Resulting damage:
- "Grenade effect": Once a CP4 pump fails, it sends a shower of fine metal fragments throughout the entire high-pressure fuel system.
- Fuel system contamination: The debris contaminates the fuel injectors, fuel rails, fuel lines, and fuel tank. Flushing the system is often insufficient to remove all the particles.
- Extensive repairs: Catastrophic failure typically requires replacing the entire high-pressure fuel system, costing thousands of dollars. < jsuid="TaUOI_15" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="2e5f889d-4a2c-4f7b-9ed3-7a555b4404ab" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_14|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_14|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_14|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_14_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_14_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIBBAF" -processed="true" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24">

Bosch VP44< jsuid="TaUOI_1d" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="626c47bc-00d4-42be-a131-e50782f2df30" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_1c|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_1c|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_1c|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_1c_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_1c_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIBRAA" -processed="true" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24">

Typical failure: The VP44 has two main failure modes:
- Electronic failure: The electronic control unit (ECU) on top of the pump can fail from heat and vibration, leading to a "dead pedal" condition (loss of throttle response), rough idle, or hard starts.
- Mechanical failure: Inadequate fuel supply from a failing lift pump can lead to poor lubrication, causing the rotor to seize and the engine to stall.
Resulting damage:
- Catastrophic stall: A mechanical failure can cause the engine to stop abruptly while driving.
- Overheating and engine damage: A failing lift pump starves the VP44, causing it to overheat. Ignoring this can lead to poor combustion, overheating, and excessive engine cylinder wear over time.
- Injector damage: If the pump fails to deliver the correct amount of fuel, it can cause problems with the injectors and poor engine performance. < jsuid="TaUOI_2z" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="01227c99-605c-4f68-b3a9-898d129f89ec" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_2y|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_2y|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_2y|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_2y_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_2y_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQICBAH" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24">

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This high-pressure pump is known for its durability and was used on many GM Duramax and some Cummins diesel engines, notably prior to the adoption of the CP4. < jsuid="TaUOI_3a" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="b41d4bfb-80f2-41dc-b449-c5be95f27777" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_39|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_39|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_39|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_39_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_39_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIChAB" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24">

Typical failure: While more robust than the CP4, the CP3 can still fail from:
- Worn components: Over time, internal components wear out, leading to insufficient fuel pressure.
- Contamination: Water or debris in the fuel can cause premature wear or clog internal parts.
- Pressure regulator failure: The fuel pressure regulator on the pump can fail, causing idle surging.
Resulting damage:
- Engine damage: A severe failure can produce metal contamination similar to a CP4, requiring the replacement of the entire fuel system.
- Performance issues: A failing CP3 will primarily cause poor engine performance, such as low fuel pressure, hard starting, misfires, or surging. < jsuid="TaUOI_41" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="a9f75c3a-a95b-4eb6-95cd-a8a876099f8e" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_40|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_40|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_40|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_40_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_40_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQICxAH" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24">

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Regardless of the pump type, a failing injection pump typically causes a range of performance issues that serve as early warning signs:< jsuid="TaUOI_4b" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="499fd311-85c5-4fcb-b0ca-73776135d9a1" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_4a|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_4a|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_4a|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_4a_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_4a_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIDRAB" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24">

Hard starting or no-start conditions
Loss of engine power and reduced acceleration
Rough idling or engine misfires
Excessive exhaust smoke (black, white, or blue)
Reduced fuel efficiency
Unusual noises, such as knocking or whining
Illuminated "Check Engine" light or other fault codes

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I'm sure the Cummins swap will not cost what the Ford fix will be and you'll still have a PowerJoke.

Just get a Cummins that was before the 98.5 year in a Dodge or a full mechanical industrial or medium duty truck truck engine. Anything that is computer controlled will end up problems in the long run.

If you are really serious, I have a 5.9 VE rotary pump engine I'd consider selling.

If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY

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Ranse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Location: Tennessee Points: 779	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ranse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Truck dilemma Posted: 5 hours 47 minutes ago at 12:33pm
	I recently purchased a 2011 ford super duty truck. It has a 6.7 diesel with 192k miles. I bought this truck for a farm truck not an everyday driver. It looked nice and seemed to run excellent, I thought it would meet my needs. After getting it I spent $960 having a gooseneck hitch installed. I also spent around $800 fixing minor issues I found. But I found one major issue, an upper oil pan leak. This was a big job requiring the transmission to be dropped, to much for me. I found a guy to fix it for $2500. He found a few other issues so it ended up costing about $4000. He also found another problem he did not fix. Metal shavings in the fuel filters. He says the entire fuel system needs replacing. If not, there will be catastrophic engine failure. He explained to me that fords have a poorly designed fuel injection pump that wears out and contaminates the fuel system. A common problem with fords. So I’m at a crossroads with this truck. I’ve already got more in it than it’s worth. I could try to sell it as is and lose thousands I’ve invested and have no truck. Or I can spend more and fix it. It’s probably going to take close to $10,000 to replace the fuel system. Naturally I wish I never bought this truck but I can’t do anything about that now.

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PaulB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 5160	Post Options Post Reply Quote PaulB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 3 hours 46 minutes ago at 2:34pm
	I met a Ford dealer yesterday at a tractor pull that was telling me all about how he specializes in only Ford diesel trucks. He had 2 of the HARLY DAVIDSON (HoundDawg) edition specials on a trailer that were only used as pull trucks. And he was pulling the trailer that hauled both with a Newest and latest KING RANCH 4 door. So my guess is that there is plenty of money to be made in the repair business of Ford diesels. Of course I don't know of any Ford diesel lover that their truck doesn't spend more time at the shop than on the road. If I was in your shoes with what you've described, I'd unbolt the hitch and remove anything of value and that truck would somehow catch fire out back somewhere and then a call to the insurance agent would be made. Just sounds like owning a boat: a hole in the water to throw money into. The other option would be to pull the motor for the boat anchor that it is and replace it with a Cummins. The make adapters to put the Cummins into Fords and Chevys, but I've never known anyone to put a PowerJoke or Duracrap into a Dodge. My ideal truck would be a Chey/GMC Cummins powered with the Allison 10 speed auto. Edited by PaulB - 3 hours 45 minutes ago at 2:35pm
	If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY

Ranse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Location: Tennessee Points: 779	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ranse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 2 hours 16 minutes ago at 4:04pm
	I’ve heard about the Cummins swap but I don’t know of anyone who has ever done it. I’m sure it’s not cheap either. I’m going to ask around and see if it might be worth it. In that case I would just drive the truck as is until the engine went down and then do the swap.

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	https://www.google.com/search?q=Injection+pump+failure+in+pickups+-+type+of+pump+and+resulting+damage&rlz=1C1CHWA_enUS627US627&oq=Injection+pump+failure+in+pickups+-+type+of+pump+and+resulting+damage+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCjU5Mzg1ajBqMTWoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Diesel pickup injection pumps can fail catastrophically, and the specific failure type and resulting damage vary based on the pump design. The most common types of high-pressure injection pumps in modern diesel pickups are the Bosch CP4, the Bosch VP44, and the Bosch CP3. < jsuid="TaUOI_b" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="020cf8fa-f296-45d7-a801-c97f4624368a" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_a\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_a\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_a\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_a_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_a_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIARAB" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> Bosch CP4< jsuid="TaUOI_h" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="3a48a20d-2d0f-4e4d-879b-3b4d42712f41" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_g\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_g\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_g\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_g_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_g_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIAhAA" -processed="true" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> This high-pressure common rail pump is used in many Ford, GM, and Ram diesel engines from the 2011 model year onward. < jsuid="TaUOI_k" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="ac5dbb14-ab08-4b22-900a-7d640aa9db81" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_j\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_j\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_j\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_j_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_j_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIAxAB" -processed="true" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> Typical failure: The CP4 is particularly susceptible to failure due to the insufficient lubricity of American ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel. This can cause the pump's roller lifters and internal pumping components to wear prematurely and generate metal debris. Resulting damage: "Grenade effect": Once a CP4 pump fails, it sends a shower of fine metal fragments throughout the entire high-pressure fuel system. Fuel system contamination: The debris contaminates the fuel injectors, fuel rails, fuel lines, and fuel tank. Flushing the system is often insufficient to remove all the particles. Extensive repairs: Catastrophic failure typically requires replacing the entire high-pressure fuel system, costing thousands of dollars. < jsuid="TaUOI_15" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="2e5f889d-4a2c-4f7b-9ed3-7a555b4404ab" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_14\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_14\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_14\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_14_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_14_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIBBAF" -processed="true" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> Bosch VP44< jsuid="TaUOI_1d" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="626c47bc-00d4-42be-a131-e50782f2df30" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_1c\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_1c\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_1c\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_1c_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_1c_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIBRAA" -processed="true" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> Typical failure: The VP44 has two main failure modes: Electronic failure: The electronic control unit (ECU) on top of the pump can fail from heat and vibration, leading to a "dead pedal" condition (loss of throttle response), rough idle, or hard starts. Mechanical failure: Inadequate fuel supply from a failing lift pump can lead to poor lubrication, causing the rotor to seize and the engine to stall. Resulting damage: Catastrophic stall: A mechanical failure can cause the engine to stop abruptly while driving. Overheating and engine damage: A failing lift pump starves the VP44, causing it to overheat. Ignoring this can lead to poor combustion, overheating, and excessive engine cylinder wear over time. Injector damage: If the pump fails to deliver the correct amount of fuel, it can cause problems with the injectors and poor engine performance. < jsuid="TaUOI_2z" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="01227c99-605c-4f68-b3a9-898d129f89ec" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_2y\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_2y\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_2y\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_2y_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_2y_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQICBAH" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> Bosch CP3< jsuid="TaUOI_37" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="6d7c5a3c-ba0a-4c53-94a4-a0abd44865bd" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_36\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_36\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_36\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_36_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_36_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQICRAA" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> This high-pressure pump is known for its durability and was used on many GM Duramax and some Cummins diesel engines, notably prior to the adoption of the CP4. < jsuid="TaUOI_3a" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="b41d4bfb-80f2-41dc-b449-c5be95f27777" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_39\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_39\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_39\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_39_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_39_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIChAB" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> Typical failure: While more robust than the CP4, the CP3 can still fail from: Worn components: Over time, internal components wear out, leading to insufficient fuel pressure. Contamination: Water or debris in the fuel can cause premature wear or clog internal parts. Pressure regulator failure: The fuel pressure regulator on the pump can fail, causing idle surging. Resulting damage: Engine damage: A severe failure can produce metal contamination similar to a CP4, requiring the replacement of the entire fuel system. Performance issues: A failing CP3 will primarily cause poor engine performance, such as low fuel pressure, hard starting, misfires, or surging. < jsuid="TaUOI_41" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="a9f75c3a-a95b-4eb6-95cd-a8a876099f8e" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_40\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_40\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_40\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_40_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_40_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQICxAH" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> Common symptoms of any injection pump failure< jsuid="TaUOI_48" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="6879f1ef-c33d-43e0-9879-968912352b43" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_47\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_47\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_47\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_47_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_47_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIDBAA" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> Regardless of the pump type, a failing injection pump typically causes a range of performance issues that serve as early warning signs:< jsuid="TaUOI_4b" ="0" -amic="true" -icl-uuid="499fd311-85c5-4fcb-b0ca-73776135d9a1" aria-label="View related s" ="rBl3me" js="click:&TaUOI_4a\|S9kKve;mouseenter:&TaUOI_4a\|sbHm2b;mouseleave:&TaUOI_4a\|Tx5Rb" -wiz-attrbind="=TaUOI_4a_C5gNJc;=TaUOI_4a_UpSNec;" -ved="2ahUKEwjj19-d48KQAxWOAHkGHbr-BH4Qye0OegQIDRAB" style="margin: 0px 6px 0px 0px; : none 0% 0% / auto repeat scroll padding- border- rgb229, 237, 255; border-width: initial; border-style: none; border-color: initial; border-radius: 10px; height: 20px; padding: 0px; width: 28px; : relative; outline: 0px; cursor: pointer;">http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 24 24"> Hard starting or no-start conditions Loss of engine power and reduced acceleration Rough idling or engine misfires Excessive exhaust smoke (black, white, or blue) Reduced fuel efficiency Unusual noises, such as knocking or whining Illuminated "Check Engine" light or other fault codes
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Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 42022	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 2 hours 2 minutes ago at 4:18pm
	Seems the New and Improved injection pumps have a great failure rate and when they do they contaminate the full system with impending disaster from tank to pump, lines , injectors and finally bank account . But remember they meet the government environmental outcome of preventing air pollution - dead trucks pose no problems Truck engine or brand of body - SAME PROBLEM WITH PUMPS across all . Even the filter used is of no use once pump starts it's demise of wear . Edited by Coke-in-MN - 1 hour 59 minutes ago at 4:21pm
	Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel.

PaulB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 5160	Post Options Post Reply Quote PaulB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 50 minutes ago at 5:30pm
	I'm sure the Cummins swap will not cost what the Ford fix will be and you'll still have a PowerJoke. Just get a Cummins that was before the 98.5 year in a Dodge or a full mechanical industrial or medium duty truck truck engine. Anything that is computer controlled will end up problems in the long run. If you are really serious, I have a 5.9 VE rotary pump engine I'd consider selling.
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Ranse Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Location: Tennessee Points: 779	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ranse Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 9 minutes ago at 6:11pm
	I do have the CP4 fuel injector pump on my truck. I’ve been told by countless people that they are junk and ford should be sued over them. It would have been nice to had this information before I bought the truck. I can’t understand why ford super duty’s are so popular. I see them everywhere