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Clay
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Topic: Electric A/C compressorPosted: 15 Jul 2025 at 10:56pm |
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John Deere 4050, [6359t (French) engine], a/c compressor is located on top of the engine between exhaust and the radiator. No way to relocate it to another area. Believe me.....if it was possible it would have been moved years ago.
The compressors only last 2 or three years. Spoke with others with the same problem. Alternatives are converting from a Denso to a Sanden compressor. This requires a mounting bracket adapter kit. Another idea it to convert to an electric a/c compressor. Hybrid cars and cars with stop/run engines have electric compressors. Curious to know if anyone has put an electric a/c compressor on a tractor. |
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Stan R
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 7:13am |
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You'd probably need a 100+ amp alternator for that mode. Besides, to go from
-mechanical belt to ac compressor is more efficient than -mechanical belt to alternator to electricity to ac compressor. |
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 7:40am |
What voltage do the use on those?
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 7:58am |
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Most of the "KITS" are 24v and pull something like 90- 100 amps...... 24 x 100 is 2400 WATTS or about 3 HP....
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 8:57am |
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Sounds like a 200 amp 24 Volt alternator should suffice
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 9:57am |
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If you run that high of capacity alternator at capacity, best force feed it air somehow or it most likely won't last long. A ducted fan forcing air at/through the alternator would probable work, but you'll have to deal with space constraints and packaging.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 11:35am |
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Thats a lot of continuous current. Good opportunity for a fire. Absolutely do it how you want but id put a belt driven compressor on it and call my next case
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Clay
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 3:15pm |
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I just put in an order for a Sanden A/C Compressor Conversion Kit (AMX10167), $540, from Abilene Machine.
Planning to flush the system. Install compressor , receiver/ dryer $28, expansion valve $20 and synthetic Ester Oil $14. |
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 3:23pm |
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I'm not sure of why so many failures?? Is it possible that you need to fabricate a simple tin heat shield to reduce exhaust system heat onto the A/C compressor ?? That surely wouldn't be too difficult or costly. This heat shield could also maybe help direct radiator fan blast air towards the A/C compressor to help cool it off some. I dunno. I'm not there looking at it.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 4:10pm |
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Sounds like a plan Clay... and a couple baffles like Dr said and your good to go !
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 5:31pm |
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whatever you do, adding a heat shield is a GREAT mustdo !! not just a single slab of tin, but 2 separated by a 1/2" air gap, 3 if you've got room. adding a duct or dedicated cooling fan will also be a BIG help !! |
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Clay
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 8:30pm |
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There are a few heat deflectors in place. This configuration was NOT one of John Deere's better ideas.
I know several people who have the same problem with the same model.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 8:32pm |
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Thanks Dr. Allis. As usual, you have the right idea.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 8:38pm |
A duct is a great idea. Ducts work great on aircraft engines to direct cool air onto various engine accessories. I think I know where I can lay my hands on some SCAT tubing.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 9:08pm |
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I have no idea what vintage/age this particular tractor is. Does it happen to have what I call an R-4 type Delco A/C compressor like from the mid/late 1980's ?? cause they were junk.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 16 Jul 2025 at 9:35pm |
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i would modify the side panel or cut and louver the hood if needed to get a fresh air duct from outside to the back or top of the compressor... Let the radiator fan pull the cooler air thru instead of over the hot engine.... assuming you have a pusher fan.
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Clay
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Posted: 17 Jul 2025 at 7:15am |
The fan pull the air through the radiator.
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Clay
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Posted: 17 Jul 2025 at 7:18am |
[Nippondenso] Denso - 6E171 .
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Posted: 17 Jul 2025 at 8:50pm |
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OK. I see a picture of it and that is not like an R-4 compressor which GM used.
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Posted: 18 Jul 2025 at 12:17pm |
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Just FYI - we have a customer who purchased a small 12V RV/camper AC self contained unit and installed it on the top of the cab of a F2 Gleaner. Works great. Cost was less than that of a compressor, drier, expansion valve and freon. Pulls about the same as the cab blower and two outside motors and coil.
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