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Rusty Allis 
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Posted: Yesterday at 3:00pm |
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Hope everyone is well, I haven't done much but read and listen here lately!
I have an odd situation. I'm helping to clean up an old dairy farm and have come across what I believe to be the cleaner acid used to flush the pipes after milking.
The labels are SHOT and best I can say is some of it came from Westfalia (now defunct?) I can post some photos if it will help, but they are about 15 gallon jugs of the stuff.
Local 'haz mat' recyclers (the ones run by the state where you bring your stuff to a collection center) hasn't been too helpful, and they consider what I have "industrial quantities"
all of that said, how do you get rid of it? water it down? mix it somehow? I want to do the responsible thing, but I just keep hitting a dead end
Please and Thank You!
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DiyDave
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Posted: Yesterday at 3:23pm |
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Us there another dairy around? You might try giving it away to them, or maybe a for free ad on craig's list. I doubt the acid is very strong, stuff I am familiar with isn't much stronger than bleach...
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Posted: Yesterday at 4:02pm |
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Do you know any trucker that has an aluminum trailer? That pipeline acid works great cleaning aluminum.
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Posted: Yesterday at 4:05pm |
https://proton-direct.co.uk/public/2018/07/Milk-Line-Cleaner-JAV002.pdf
Above is the MSDS sheet for caustic base By listing name of company and if acid or base solution you can probably find similar product . IT looks like it has some worth for resale - but finding that buyer - or place to dispose properly - ??? Around here we have a recycling center - run by county that takes items , from paint to household materials - now 3 jugs at a time might be household rather then industrial MSDS for acid base cleaner
https://www.webstaurantstore.com/documents/sds/sds_hp1510011.pdf?srsltid=AfmBOopIkxNFEJfMm9YkJE3uqq0MFPVx4Iokq4DO_uMlSX6YQy_mUcAa
Edited by Coke-in-MN - Yesterday at 4:07pm
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Posted: Yesterday at 5:08pm |
Westfalia, westfalia- surge are all now part of GEA farm technologies. Acid rinse is mostly phosphoric acid. I suppose you could use it as rust remover.
I should add here never ever mix with bleach, clorine gas can be a killer.
Edited by Riprock - Yesterday at 5:32pm
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Posted: 21 hours 60 minutes ago at 7:01pm |
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Phosphoric Acid in a strong mix can etch glass , in full strength it will eat through bottle right at top of air liquid line - use to use it to clean floors in coating area and left a container sit 1/2 full , next day went to pick it up and only had top half of jug .
Bad stuff in high strength as will eat into calcium - like bones if you get it on hands .
Milk is one of the neutralizers for contamination .
It will also etch Titanium metal which resists most acids (in high strength)
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Posted: 18 hours 37 minutes ago at 10:24pm |
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Whatever you do, DO NOT MIX IT ANYTHING except water.
When say ‘cleaning up an old dairy’ do you mean a dairy farm? Or a dairy processing plant?
If it’s a dairy farm, and the pipeline system is intact, run a clean cycle or two thru it and see what happens.
The sink where the milking machines set in, fill that basin with hot water, and a cup or two of cleaner, do not mix from different containers.
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Rusty Allis
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Posted: 6 hours 36 minutes ago at 10:25am |
good suggestions guys, thanks
It's an old dairy farm that hasn't had any cows/processing equipment in 25+ years.
Here is the label on one of the drums:
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Tbone95
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Posted: 6 hours 2 minutes ago at 10:59am |
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Got any source for a chunk of litmus paper? Would give you a good idea of how strong it is…..assuming you can’t read a pH or figure out something from the label.
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Posted: 2 hours 26 minutes ago at 2:35pm |
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Give it to another dairy, free add on marketplace.
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Rusty Allis
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Posted: 2 hours 12 minutes ago at 2:49pm |
 Jordan(OH) wrote:
Give it to another dairy, free add on marketplace. |
does it go bad? I mean, it's pretty old
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