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Kiwi 
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Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 2:50am |
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Hi all I have been watching shipping wars on the TV. I can’t believe the way shipping works in the USA and how the transporter has to make the crates and set the items up . That just does not happen her in New Zealand if it is not on a pellet it is not shipped it is up to the person who is sending the items to organise the loading and unloading of the items and it is up to the person receiving the items to set them up and why do people send items with so short deadlines I think it’s for TV.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 4:29am |
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Freedom. Buyer-seller contract terms for shipping in highly competitive market depicted on show. $$ talks.
Don't extrapolated all USA shipping from a tiny piece of the marketplace, especially if viewed from a reality show.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 4:38am |
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I did think that it is all juiced up for tv
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Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 5:51am |
Like ALL other 'reality' TV shows , a LOT of what you see IS 'made for TV'. One notable exception are the wrecks on 'Highway thru Hell'. Filmed in BC,99.44% of the wrecks were real, the recoveries are staged though.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 7:13am |
 Kiwi wrote:
Hi all I have been watching shipping wars on the TV. I can’t believe the way shipping works in the USA and how the transporter has to make the crates and set the items up . That just does not happen her in New Zealand if it is not on a pellet it is not shipped it is up to the person who is sending the items to organise the loading and unloading of the items and it is up to the person receiving the items to set them up and why do people send items with so short deadlines I think it’s for TV. |
99.9% of things shipped in the USA are just like you described. The rest is done by specialty shipping companies (like moving companies) that package and move items (at a price).
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1955CA
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Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 5:11am |
I used to watch that show for entertainment. But all it really shows is a bunch of people too dumb to realize they aren't making any money, LOL
But after 36 years in the trucking industry, I'm used to having to work amongst business owners that failed math in grade school.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 1:53am |
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I don't think they'd like the way i'd haul some of that stuff! lol
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Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 2:37am |
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Totally for show , anyone who would take a job on this kind of bid is less than smart .
Somehow the need to go through a broker and then to have rights or authority to travel interstate let alone no to be logging their time as required by DOT regulations - well reality is missing .
Then the idea of someone would , load a product , not crated or secured before accepting it to ship just doesn't happen . Hot Shot freight handling might differ some , then the idea every one of these shipping TV shows have a cash payout to the driver at the end - aint happening !
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Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 10:05pm |
"Reality TV" is the most oxymoronic garbage out there.
There ARE certain circumstances when shipping companies will contract much MORE than just basic transport, but when that happens, it's not referred to as 'shipping', it is 'logistical solution service'... basically, a company is outsourcing the tail-end of it's manufacturing-to-distribution-transportation process.
Here's an excellent example of it:
A company makes a row-crop planter machine, which the sell through dealers in a domestic market, and also overseas exports. They call upon a third party logistics (or as they're frequently referred: "3PL") service to get those products to their dealers, and set up a contract where the 3PL company designs transport crates, frames, enclosures, etc, as necessary for the transportation through the appropriate pathways, then they have those crates, frames, enclosures made and delivered to the machinery assembly line, where they're fitted, packaged, and labeled for transport, then the 3PL company schedules pickup by truck or rail, and hauled either to a domestic dealer, or to a shipyard or air freight terminal, then sent overseas.
The reason why this concept WORKS, is because the 3PL company already has expertise in all the shipping variables makes for considerably less load on a manufacturer... and as a result, they can apply their experience to have the product transported in most economical, expedient, and dependable way. There's plenty of things that can go wrong, so having the 3PL logistics experience can save a manufacturer of lots of headaches.
One example, is as simple as a stamp on the wood used in a crate... When shipping overseas, any wood used as shipping materials must be prepared using the receiving country's specified treatments, like high temperature/pressure kiln firing, application of insect-killing chemicals, etc. Just the process of getting the stamp certification for a crate or pallet, can take a significant amount of time, and putting a NON-compliant element on a ship to go to say... NZ from the USA, could result in that ship's entire cargo being denied entry into NZ.
Usually, a 3PL arrangement centers around a large volume of similar products going out over regular intervals. Half a dozen years ago, I was faced with need to distribute 211,000lbs of reinforcement kits to 122 service company offices across the US and Canada... and one of my co-workers developed the modular crate, I set up a deal with a national company to handle the logistics. I had my manufacturing group do all the fabrication and kit assembly, place them in crates I had manufactured (and delivered to them) by another outfit, my 3PL company picked up the loaded crates, and I simply sent them Emails with addresses and crate quantities.
But for most everything else, it's NOT this way.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 11:05pm |
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it ranks right up their with the stupidest shows on tv
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Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 12:49am |
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I spoke to one of those shipping persons from that show today, he's coming to my place tomarrow to load some of my items to go to an auction, he doesn't run with those others anymore, he said the paperwork they had/have to go thru is to much! said he got real tired of it even tho the money was good mostly from the TV folks he got paid from. also said the cost of upkeep on his vehicle was alot of $$$ and went thru quite a few trucks (all 1 ton duallies) due to high miles. the TV people only filmed the weird hauls and not all of them. now he does short hauls driving someone elses trucks. he told me lots of stories about that show and some of those other people, to numerous to type out on here, but were real head shakers.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 6:52am |
Although, not really reality and definitely enhanced, the show is not as fake as some here would have you believe.
The show is based on the website uship.com, where anyone can list freight they need shipped and anyone interested in transporting the item(s) can "bid" on the load. In reality, sometimes people find shipping at a better price or quicker and truckers can sometimes make a few dollars hauling something when they would otherwise be empty or have a partial load.
I have a friend that has found backhauls or load supplements when he had a partial load and room to carry more. He has hauled a classic car, motorcycles and even a dog. Some of it is in the "expedited freight" category; some is not.
I'm sure some of the drama is enhanced for TV, but the premise is real.
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Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 7:43am |
I had to go watch them again after seeing this post, LOL Yes, it's reality BS but it's still kinda entertaining.
It made me miss one of my old businesses. Back in 2009? I got out of trucking and sold my class 8 truck and I got a couple one tons and brokered out to an RV logistics company, delivering brand new travel trailers from the factories to all over Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes. I really enjoyed that job. Got to see all the latest RV's, met really nice people at the dealerships. Was pretty stress free. Just drive a pickup and get paid.
But I only stayed at it for a brief time. Just like trucking, the rates suck. Pretty much whatever my gross revenue for the month was, half was fuel. Then with the mileage you put on, you were doing oil and filter changes EVERY WEEK. Then if you finance a new pickup, by year 5 it has a million miles on it and it is wore right out. So then you replace and you would never be out of a payment.
The haulers in the USA made out better than us Canadian companies though. Insurance, trucks and fuel in the US is SO much cheaper than in Canada. I had a few friends that went to work for US companies and they got paid in US dollars and got to run US insurance and they ended up making a lot more than me.
But a few years ago a lot of them lost their jobs with those companies because they quit insuring Canadian carriers.
I'm not sure what the state of that industry is now? I've been out of all forms of trucking for just over 3 years now.
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