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    Posted: 14 Nov 2022 at 3:21pm
Property in Coleman Tx, has an old long dormant lawn irrigation system.
Trying to locate the sprinkler heads(most more than likely buried under lawn clippings). Can’t find any evidence of it ever having an electronic control box, nor can I locate(yet) any of the water junction boxes in the lawn. System probably hasn’t been in use at least 30 years. Installed with the grey plastic piping. Have located 4 heads, I know there has to be multiple zones on this property.
Any ‘tricks of the trade’ to finding buried heads, and junction boxes?
Were the early generation of lawn systems controlled manually? Thanks in advance.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Water witch and see if can locate.  Find the pipes, figure run directions.

Two SOLID copper wires NO Sheath, bent to a "L", about a foot to foot and half on Long leg.  Grasp Gently but firmly the shorter length of "L" and walk across the lawn.  Let us know back if they cross above piping.


Edited by DMiller - 14 Nov 2022 at 3:38pm
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Hook an air compressor to the START of the line and see what boils up... Cap the ones you see, and look for MORE. .............. or hook up the hose and see what gets wet ?

Edited by steve(ill) - 14 Nov 2022 at 4:26pm
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Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Water witch and see if can locate.  Find the pipes, figure run directions.

Two SOLID copper wires NO Sheath, bent to a "L", about a foot to foot and half on Long leg.  Grasp Gently but firmly the shorter length of "L" and walk across the lawn.  Let us know back if they cross above piping.

 Even steel wire will work.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lars(wi) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2022 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

Hook an air compressor to the START of the line and see what boils up... Cap the ones you see, and look for MORE. .............. or hook up the hose and see what gets wet ?

Have done that on one zone where a lawn mower destroyed the sprinkler head, located 2 heads, on that zone. Still have not found the water source for the system.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Really?  I had a guy 'water witch' to identify location of sewer lines on my previous property.  He swore up and down that the location he marked was correct, (one lateral drop coming straight up the middle of the driveway).  I knew otherwise, and sent him back to city hall to pull the 'as builts', and come back with a tape measure.  He was 50 feet south of the FIRST, and 56 feet south of the SECOND.  I advised him to set aside the idiocy, and use legally-mandated methods.

About six weeks later, he did same thing, and the backhoe ignited after striking a 13kv underground line that HE identified 40 feet elsewhere. Operator was killed, lawsuit followed, "witcher's" failure history was reviewed, at which point he was fired, sued, and is now in jail.  The short story: there's proper instruments for doing locates, use them, or don't do it at all.

If you want to find those boxes and heads, apply compressed air or water, that's what the irrigation professionals do.  If you need to find the plastic lines, once you've found the HEADS, tie a 'stringmouse' to the end of some jet-line, suck it through with a vacuum, tie a piece of 20ga wire to the jet-line, pull it through, connect an RF locator transmitter to the wire, push the ground stake in, set it to 80khz, low power, turn the receiver on, set it to mid-sensitivity, and carry your marking paint... you'll have it all mapped out in no time.

The Ditch Witch 75T/75R kit is my favorite... it has a three-dimensional diversity array which will identify the distance to right or left, and depth of the locate, and it's usually within an inch or so.  I've used a fishtape shoved down a sewer pipe, and set to 5khz, got an accurate locate down 5 feet...  direct connected a common frostless steel yard hydrant, and managed a good locate at 7ft (also 5khz) for a distance of 45ft.  Many locator units can also detect electromagnetic anomalies along the path... i.e. if you're traversing an area following your transmitter's target line, and there's an underground electrical cable carrying current, the receiver will detect and alert of that WHILE following the injector's signal... very handy when you're working on an unknown property with lots of 'history'.
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Here's a great demonstration:

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Originally posted by Dusty MI Dusty MI wrote:

Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Water witch and see if can locate.  Find the pipes, figure run directions.

Two SOLID copper wires NO Sheath, bent to a "L", about a foot to foot and half on Long leg.  Grasp Gently but firmly the shorter length of "L" and walk across the lawn.  Let us know back if they cross above piping.

 Even steel wire will work.
Does it have to be SOLID? LOLLOLLOL
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I've always used steel wire, never tried stranded or copper, and never tried to determined to tell how deep.
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Thanks everyone for the advise, Dave Kemp you are fountain of information always enjoy your posts.
Will be gradually working on the project over the course of the winter as I have time to ‘sneak in an hour’ or so to this. The Mrs. always seems have something ‘more important than those darn sprinklers’ to me work on. LOL.
Last property we owned, it took me a whole summer to eventually find, replace all the sprinkler heads.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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If you Google or DuckDuckGo "find lawn sprinkler lines" they will give you a lot of ideas on how to find what you are looking for. 
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I have had great success with a combination of compressed air and water. Connect the air at one end of the system and turn on water at the other end. The air quickly brings the water up to the surface.
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Originally posted by DonBC DonBC wrote:

I have had great success with a combination of compressed air and water. Connect the air at one end of the system and turn on water at the other end. The air quickly brings the water up to the surface.

The only problem with that is, I can’t locate the starting point of the system, I’ve found a few sprinkler heads, thats all.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Okay, so MOST sprinkler heads are somewhat 'removable' for service... meaning, you can push-twist-pull or unthread them from the base... Find yours, look for any brand marking, then look 'em up on the net to see if you can find out how they come apart for service.  Once apart, make a fitting using whatever you can, to connect a garden hose to the sprinkler base... or if not, dig around the sprinkler head, find the feeder tube, disconnect the base from the tube, and connect a garden hose...  apply water pressure to it, then look for where it's coming up in the yard... there's PROBABLY a distribution block buried in a well-box under the lawn a few inches.

Re. your controls question, most sprinklers now run solenoid valves at the distribution block (which can be in the yard, or in the basement or crawl space of the house, or in a shed)... sometimes, it was controlled by a 'passive' gadget that had a little flowmeter-type paddle valve that spun as the inflow passes, after so many rotations, it switches to the next circuit.

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Yep, Dave that is what I have done on one zone, removed a damaged sprinkler head, and attached a garden hose. From what I see, these are Rain Bird brand, the style that pops up with the top
spinning around and the nozzle going forth and back between the stops, like those we see on golf courses. There is at least one other zone in the front lawn that appears intact, so I’m hesitant to dig up
what may be a perfectly good sprinkler.lol
Haven’t yet noticed a spot where a control panel may have been, looked in carport, shop, crawl space etc.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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would a metal detector work? there has to be a little bit of metal on the lines such as maybe clamps?
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

would a metal detector work? there has to be a little bit of metal on the lines such as maybe clamps?

Probably, but don’t have one. Might check in with the pawn shop uptown and check on prices.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Tool rental place local has been advertising they rent metal detectors as well as the digging equipment.  So you might check with your local rental places.  Get a more deluxe detector much cheaper than buying.  
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The hose clamps are frequently stainless, but a guy could sweep the whole yard trying to find nothing, because the next clamps are PROBABLY at the junction.

If it were me, I'd walk around looking for sprinkler heads in places that seemed most obvious, and then search the supply water plumbing for a branch going off in an unknown direction, and see where it winds up.

A professional service would have done everything sensible and accessible...

Another thing they (a previous owner) MAY have done... is run the underground lines to some place near a wall spigot, and just hand-connected them... in which case, someone probably cut the lines off just underground, and covered 'em for 'curb appeal'... in which case, an air tank, with hose shoved into the popup socket will probably blow enough dirt out to tell you where...

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Originally posted by Lars(wi) Lars(wi) wrote:

Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

would a metal detector work? there has to be a little bit of metal on the lines such as maybe clamps?

Probably, but don’t have one. Might check in with the pawn shop uptown and check on prices.



Lars, you know if you would give up and abandon this idea of lawn sprinklers, you could save a lot of time and money by not having to mow!!  Right? Wink LOL

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Got back to this project the last day and a half, weather just to darn nice for inside honey do stuff.
Was working in the lawn, on a unrelated job, noticed a cut off grey pipe on the side of a hole we were digging, and one thing lead to another, so,,,,,,,. Actually discovered a couple breaks, caused by when the city ran new lateral a decade or so ago, they went diagonally across the lawn from the water meter box to the house, cutting thru the irrigation piping at least 3 times. Found one sprinkler head under a cement curb(alongside driveway), found one bust in the pipe where a tree root heaved.
Will get back to it in a couple weeks(weather permitting), heading out later this afternoon to start another 14 day hitch.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Another opportunity to work at this on Friday, unearthed 2 sprinkler heads on the zone that the city hacked up running new sewer, and water lines from the street. 7 splice repairs(so far), anyways the brand of sprinkler heads in this zone are ‘Aqua-Dial’, these are a fixed head style, appears to be brass. Did a internet search, could not find much about this particular style(No. 5).
Still have not discovered where the system taps in the city water supply.
The adventure continues.
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just go out and pee ina different spot everynight
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re: Still have not discovered where the system taps in the city water supply.

as long as it's BEFORE the meter don't worry, be happy !!!
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

re: Still have not discovered where the system taps in the city water supply.

as long as it's BEFORE the meter don't worry, be happy !!!

That’s what I’m hoping for,,,,, but knowing my luck (lol)
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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A little more progress yesterday, found two more sprinkler heads, all on this zone have been all brass. Found a little info on the sprinkler mfgr., marketed these sprinklers in the 1960-70’s. Dealers sold them back then, for $30.00-$40.00 a piece(holy crap). Able to visualize the grid pattern for this zone, kinda have a feeling I’ve found all of this zone. Still no location of source.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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