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HudCo 
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Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 4:06pm |
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where can i get new rear rims for my c , i want to purchase two new rims and mount new 12.4 24s on them and leave the old ones 11.2 24s to use for a b that is on the ground right now with rotted out rims and bad tires. also same thing with the fronts . its alot easyer to get projects done if it will roll . all the rims i have found so far on the computer dont look like they will fit the wedges
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 9:58pm |
If you want ORIGINAL, you may be looking for a while.. If you want a simple WILL FIT, the Miller Tire and others sell rims with 4 LOOPS.
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Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 10:06pm |
these are SUPPOSE to fit ?
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Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 10:48pm |
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looked at the miller tire ones. do the loops bolt diterctly to the cast iron wheel ? does any one on here use these four loop wheels on theres ?
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Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 10:52pm |
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i would rather have the loops instead of the wedges
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Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 10:59pm |
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I bought a "B" that had two of the LOOP rims mounted on it.. Just use a 5/8 bolt about 4 inches long with a big washer and nut on the back. Real simple and never comes loose...This was STANDARD on some "other" tractors, and they do fit the B- C ALLIS ... I cant remember right now which company used the LOOPS... i looked it up 15 years ago.
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Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 11:03pm |
7-8-9-10 inch widths... spec below at left....... verify before you buy..
One New Aftermarket 8" x 24" 4 Loop Rear Rim Silver Mist
Fits Allis Chalmers Tractor Models: B, C, IB
Fits International Tractor Models: A, B, Super A, 100, 130, 140
Tech Info:
- Width: 8"
- Diameter: 24"
- Type: 4 Loop
- Bolt Circle of Loops: 19.75"
- From Center line to inside of Loop: 1.08"
- From Center line to outside of Loop: 2.92"
- Valve stem side: 1
- Rim Thickness: .129"
- Rim Color: Silver Mist
this one below is too small -- wrong size.
Edited by steve(ill) - 23 Apr 2022 at 11:08pm
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Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 11:06pm |
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Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 11:54pm |
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I put a lot of those loop rims on when I had the tire shop. I found out it was far easier to bolt them on using a impact wrench. Some of the loops were off a little bit and if took forever to tighten them with a ratchet.
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Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 6:44am |
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I have the loop-style rims on my Model C, they are MUCH better than those phony wedge types that never really wanted to stay put.
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Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 8:03am |
From what I remember, the wheels are 24" 9" wide. This is the nominal size for 9.5-24 tire. Wider rims may have been option. Wider tire should fit the 9" rim.
The original Allis rims (on my C) have a continuous 360 degree formed "bump" that the eccentrics nestled onto. I think the rims for sale today have 4 short (intermittent) bumps for the clamps. They have 2 drive pads welded on to trap one of the two non-eccentric (fixed) clamps.
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Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 9:06am |
https://www.reliableaftermarketparts.com/products/rw09244-9-x-24-rear-wheel-rim
i think Brian is right, the 9 inch seem to be the most popular and the cheapest.. Also i see that the BOLT to BOLT distance seems to vary 1/8 inch between the different rims.... Probably just difference when converting from China Metric to Inches ??
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Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 2:41pm |
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i just mounted up two brand new 14.9 28 firestone super all traction 23 on 12 inch rims and seem to look ok on the sidewall profile. so if i go with 12.4 24 on the C, and i have to buy rims 10" would probley be the best . dosnt seem like there are tens with that 19 3/4 bolt space
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Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 7:14pm |
I think the 10" rim is what you want for the 12.4 x 24 tire. And they do make a 24" 4 hump-bump rim at 10" wide. For use with the original Allis eccentrics.
Agreed, a 14.9 x 28 looks good on a 12 inch rim, as does a 13.6.
My old tires from my C read "9.5-24 on a 9 inch rim". I guess they were trying to clear up any confusion with the old vs new designations.
So if you use rims with the hoops on the original Allis cast
wheel disk, (without the wedge eccentrics), I wonder what is going to center the rim on the wheel disk? Fords use the hoops, but their wheel disc registers to the rim ID, keeping it concentric. Those hoops are "slotted", sounds like you are judging the bolts will more or less locate good enough on the rounded end of the hoops? I don't know, maybe. It's not designed to do that as far as I can see. On the other hand, we do have threads on this site about the original Allis B/C eccentric wedge design failing some how, letting the wheel fall off.
I am doing good, tractor club show this morning, car show this afternoon, what a day.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2022 at 7:24am |
 BrianC wrote:
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So if you use rims with the hoops on the original Allis cast
wheel disk, (without the wedge eccentrics), I wonder what is going to center the rim on the wheel disk?...
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The only thing that controls the centering of the loop-style rims is the concentricity (or lack thereof) of the four holes in the original Allis cast wheel disk. The loops butt against the wheel disk, therefore the bolts are carrying the load in 'shear'. My Model C is not very heavily stressed so I don't worry about it much. My previous Model C had the original type wedge eccentrics and they kept slipping off the 'bumps' on the rims until I welded some stops on both end of each bump. I did the welding with the tire and tube mounted; I struck an arc, then welded a very short bead, let it cool, then repeated, etc.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2022 at 9:27pm |
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buying new rims at least i will be able to test fit before i mount tires and add four more loops for a in between tire spacing right now i have every thing in as far as possible front and rear but i like the space they are right now ,
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Posted: 25 Apr 2022 at 9:44pm |
Miller has them... I think the LOOPS are pretty close to the OUTSIDE edge, so might work as is...
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 11:42pm |
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I just replaced CaCl rotted bump rims on my C with the Farmall type 4 loop rims. I used 10” rims with new 11.2x 24 tires. I used 5/8 carriage bolts 4 inches long with a lock washer & nut on the inside. Worked great!
Edited by Kip-Utah - 11 May 2023 at 9:49pm
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