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    Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 11:39am

I want to pass this story along to you all. I feel that it's something that others may want to watch out for this.

About a month ago, I had the lifters, the cam and the oil pump installed in my A/C B engine. The engine is mounted on an engine stand. I have a plastic tray under the stand as a catch all. I put some assembly lube on and in just about everything when I assembled. A few days later, I walked past the engine and looked at the tray. The red assembly lube in the tray that dripped out of the pipe thread hole in the oil pump had dark streaks in it. I grabbed a magnet and pulled metallic dust out of the oil. 

I pulled the pump and the cam shaft. The hollow cam shaft had some crap inside. It was re manufactured and apparently it wasn't cleaned after reworking it. I got it from eBay and I don’t think that the seller was aware of the contamination. I cleaned it out with brake parts cleaner and blew it out with compressed air. I did the same with the oil pump. 

Now comes the fun part. Before I reinstalled the cam, I noticed that there were no squirt holes in the camshaft for oiling connecting rods. So, I took some measurements and drilled the holes, cleaned, and oiled it again, and reinstalled.

I'm glad that I noticed the lack of holes. It would have been a catastrophic failure.

The cam that I bought had the same casting number as the one that I pulled from the engine. Just because the casting numbers were the same, that does not mean that the part numbers were the same.

I read somewhere that they installed parts from some engines into others.

I found this quote from Dick L

Originally posted by Dick L Dick L wrote:

Sort of pressure to the main bearings. No pressure inside the camshaft. The free flow oil is slightly blocked in the camshaft but not enough to build pressure. The centrifugal force pressure from the spinning camshaft sends oil to the main bearings thru the camshaft bearings. Same force the rod bearings get from the spinning crankshaft. They didn't put the spring and relief ball in the front of the camshaft until the D 10 thru the D 17 engines. Then the camshaft was not drilled with the little holes in line with the rods. The oil was then pressurized thru the camshaft bearings to the main bearings where the crankshaft was drilled from the main journals to the rod journals.





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If your FleaBay camshaft does not have holes, You have a camshaft for a small D series engine (138,149,160) and the hole in the front will be larger than the thrust plunger and spring pieces that your B has. 
  As you are aware, the proper camshaft for the BE/CE engines NEEDS oil spray holes to the connecting rods. 
  Let me know if you need a BE/CE camshaft. I have a couple reground ones on the parts shelf here


Edited by PaulB - 10 Mar 2022 at 6:35pm
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You know Paul, in this corner of the country we have a saying.

"Ayup, It's always something"

After measuring the bore and the depth for the thrust plunger at the end of the cam shaft. I should be able to make a steel sleeve and press it into the hole. The hole is deeper than the one from the "B" so I can put a flat in the bottom to catch the spring. I am looking at a sleeve 7/8 OD, 5/8 ID. 1 3/8 deep.

Thanks for the heads up. There is a chance I would have found it eventually, scratched my head, and got to the forum. Let me see if I can get it together. If I need a cam shaft, I will be in touch.
It's going to be a while before I get to it.

Thanks again
Steve (inME)
 
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I spent some time while recovering from surgery, reworking the camshaft for my A/C B. I want to send my sincerest thanks to PaulB for his advice.

I placed a piece of 7/8 diameter round stock into my 3 jaw chuck. I brought into height so it is flush with the end of the camshaft. I drilled it out and placed a flat counter bore at the bottom of the hole for a place for the spring to rest. I have no idea what the original length of the thrust plunger was, so I set the plunger at the same height as the one from the old cam.

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I just read all your rebuild posts. Made my evening!  I have not done any engine rebuilding in a couple years. Still have three blocks on engine stands. 
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Thanks Dick
It's been a bit of a challenge, I have learned quite a bit. I have had a lot of fun sharing my experiences with the forum as well.
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Originally posted by ac55tractor ac55tractor wrote:

Thanks Dick
It's been a bit of a challenge, I have learned quite a bit. I have had a lot of fun sharing my experiences with the forum as well.
Steve

I know the feeling! It is fun here to follow your thinking reasoning out your steps. I see you learned more by sharing. 
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