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Posted: 07 Jan 2022 at 6:43am |
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Well said Lou! The fear factor has been cranked up for this pandemic! Are we to be concerned yes! Our nation was not founded by fearful people! And denying Healthcare is not compassionate! We Americans have always helped those less fortunate.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 11:15pm |
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Any "expert" will tell that the vaccine is not 100%. People can, and do, get the virus after being fully vaccinated. Most that are vaccinated have much less severe symptoms than non-vaccinated people. However, there are those of us that have compromised immune systems and other health problems, that can prove serious, or even lethal, if they are infected with the virus.
Personally, as a cancer survivor, I asked my doctor about the vaccine, shortly after it became available. She didn't hesitate. She told me that I should definitely get it. Since she was the one that diagnosed my very fast spreading Stage 4 cancer early and got me into treatment quickly, which every doctor I dealt with said was the biggest factor in my recovery, I trust what she tells me.
Although they are health care professionals, many of these people have their own, or family members, with underlying health issues. It seems so unfair, to me, that people that refuse to get the vaccine and end up in the hospital, put these people or people that they interact with, in a position where they could be infected.
Here is info from the CDC that explains it way better that I can.
well, I can appreciate your point, I get it, but I think there is another side that you may not have considered. As you say, vaccines are not 100% effective, but also, they are not 100% safe, either. And worse, what was/is being given for COVID is, as I am told, not even a true vaccine, worse, it is mostly untested, the FDA had to issue waivers for it to be deployed. So you suggest healthcare be denied to those who are a bit skeptical and concerned about the safety of the vaccine. If you think about it those with doubts or concerns are not without some justification. The same professionals who are pushing it are also the ones who lied about the origins of the China flu. And, the same professionals are the ones that are pushing surgical masks when the science proves they are largely ineffective. The professionals are the ones that told us this was a vaccine, when it is not. They are the same professionals that led us to believe it was a one shot and done. Now it is booster after booster! It is obvious to me they either didn't really know much about the effectiveness and long-term safety of it, or they lied to us. Either way, reason enough for many of us to be skeptical and refuse it. In fact, it is my humble opinion that the entire medical field has been duped! They bought into this vaccine idea, but they were lied to, just like they lied tus. That's just my opinion. In any case, for these reasons, I just don't think it right for someone to demonize me because I didn't wish to get the vax. I did, but only after I was forced to by Bidens mandate. I appreciate your concern, and you taking the time to explain, but I humbly disagree with you. I don't think it fair to withhold medical care because one does not wish risking his/her personal safety, in order to possibly mitigate the safety of a healthcare worker who is gowned up, gloved, masked, and faced shielded. Plus, I honestly believe allowing Biden to get away with this mandate thing is a VERY Dangerous idea! It is bound to come back to bite us! no doubt about it. One of our founding fathers once said 'those who wish to give up some freedom for some safety, deserves neither'. Not an exact quote, but I think you get the picture
Now, all that said, the 'jab' may be of some value, but we still don't know the long term effects of it, if any. We all could be growing a third eye in a couple of years! It's happened before! well, not the third eye, but adverse effects of drugs years later.
and, finally, with respect you your personal struggles with health issues, I understand your concerns, believe me, I get it, and my heart goes out to you! I have a son who has been battling brain cancer, they just had the side of his head off again this past summer, and six weeks of radiation and chemotherapy, which has suppressed his immune system tremendously. and unfortunately, he is a shop foreman in a truck garage for a refuse company. not a good place for someone with low immunity to work. He lives this every day. but, you..we cannot expect the rest of the world to give up freedom for a few
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 8:06pm |
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How many Cattlemen have treated Winter Dysentery? For those of you that don't know what it is. Winter dysentery is an acute, highly contagious GI disorder that affects housed adult dairy cattle, primarily during winter. Clinical features include profuse diarrhea (sometimes accompanied by dysentery), a profound drop in milk production, variable anorexia and depression, and mild respiratory signs such as coughing. It's known as Bovine Corona virus. There is a vaccine. We tried it with little success. Veterinarian suggested increase the amount of Brewers Yeast we put in the Ration. That helped more than the Vaccine. Older Cows developed immunity. Always was younger Cattle that came down with Winter Dysentery. The best that anyone can do with Viruses is limit exposure, eat healthy and keep your immune system functioning with supplements. During the Korean War the Chinese had no Antibiotics. So they fed their troops Garlic to prevent sickness and infection. Many Health Practioners recommend Garlic today for its Health Benefits especially for the Heart.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 7:49pm |
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Who brought ‘placebos’ into the discussion?
If someone is able to fight off the Wuhan flu with extra vitamins and minerals to supplement their diet, then more power to them. By following your logic Freedguy, anybody that needs a vaccine to fight a flu, must have a poor diet also?
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 7:09pm |
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Free Gas goes by the philosophy of ...OPEN MOUTH, INSERT FOOT ..... Never reads the previous posts to see what the discussion is.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 7:08pm |
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 7:06pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
Kansas99 wrote:
Well, when I need bypass surgery I hope they don't turn me down because I didn't listen to my doctor and eat more lettuce. 
I should be fine getting hospital treatment for covid though, as my doctor recommends against me taking the vaccine.
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Well, by golly you've established my post "DEFIES ANY logic", maybe just maybe you should read what it was in response to. 
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 6:41pm |
Lars(wi) wrote:
What’s the problem Freedguy? Are you against people taking extra vitamins, and minerals to boost their immune system? How could anybody be against that ? This one of those times Freedguy I shake my head in wonder, how it’s possible you are even able to find your way home. |
No,not opposed to "supplements", but are placebos the answer to this ongoing pandemic ?? If a person has to embellish with " after market" vitamins, they are NOT eating a proper diet 
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 6:34pm |
Kansas99 wrote:
Well, when I need bypass surgery I hope they don't turn me down because I didn't listen to my doctor and eat more lettuce.
I should be fine getting hospital treatment for covid though, as my doctor recommends against me taking the vaccine.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 6:16pm |
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Your BS is uncalled for. People like you are the main problem when it comes to COVID.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 5:38pm |
WF... YOU are the one that wanted to Eliminate the Political Section because YOU DONT LIKE what they talk about........... COVID "MANDATES" are a Political Topic.... You talk about Democracy, then want "MANDATES" and restricted Freedom for some..
If you believe in Mandates and Masks that is fine... They DONT WORK... that is a FACT.
If YOU have a poor immune system, then YOU should stay at home.. Not someone ELSES problem to follow YOUR needs.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 5:25pm |
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WF OWNER.. Get over yourself already. You got the vaccine and your happy so move on…. What happen to the freedom of the USA? Your saying people that are not vaccinated should not be allowed to receive hospital care???? I know who you sound like but wont say any names but he lived in Germany…. |
You have expressed your opinion and I have expressed mine. That is what democracy is about.
As far as the "he lived in Germany" comment, that is uncalled for. As soon as someone doesn't agree with your point, you apparently think it's okay to level a personal attack.
Lou asked a question and I attempted to answer his question.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 4:52pm |
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WF OWNER.. Get over yourself already. You got the vaccine and your happy so move on…. What happen to the freedom of the USA? Your saying people that are not vaccinated should not be allowed to receive hospital care???? I know who you sound like but wont say any names but he lived in Germany….
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 11:22am |
Lou,
Any "expert" will tell that the vaccine is not 100%. People can, and do, get the virus after being fully vaccinated. Most that are vaccinated have much less severe symptoms than non-vaccinated people. However, there are those of us that have compromised immune systems and other health problems, that can prove serious, or even lethal, if they are infected with the virus.
Personally, as a cancer survivor, I asked my doctor about the vaccine, shortly after it became available. She didn't hesitate. She told me that I should definitely get it. Since she was the one that diagnosed my very fast spreading Stage 4 cancer early and got me into treatment quickly, which every doctor I dealt with said was the biggest factor in my recovery, I trust what she tells me.
Although they are health care professionals, many of these people have their own, or family members, with underlying health issues. It seems so unfair, to me, that people that refuse to get the vaccine and end up in the hospital, put these people or people that they interact with, in a position where they could be infected.
Here is info from the CDC that explains it way better that I can.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 8:12am |
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I have two people in my family that are in direct health care. I have a daughter and my wife that are both R.N.'s. I also have many friends that are involved in direct health care.
My problem is that these people that don't believe in the science and don't get vaccinated, suddenly believe in the science, when they have COVID and they expose health care workers to the virus I'm not trying to argumentative, but I have heard this comment many times before, and what I cannot get through my thick head is how this is a problem if the vax is so great, and the healthcare workers are all vaxed. and wear masks, and face shields and gloves, etc when they need to be admitted to the hospital.
Both my wife and I have each lost a former co-worker and friend that were dead set against the vaccine. Both were in their 50's. Neither had any known underlying health problems. Both were hospitalized for long periods, before passing away. Both would probably be with us today, if they had been vaccinated.
It's my opinion, that if you are too stubborn to get vaccinated, you should be on your own, if you end up getting COVID. I don't know where we suddenly started listening to non-health care people over the professionals.
Most of you would listen to your veterinarian if they said one of your animals needed some sort of drug or treatment, but doubt what health care professionals are telling you.
It's your choice if you want to not be vaccinated, but I don't think you have the right to expose people in health care from your decision. |
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Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 7:48am |
Excellent news Joe, very happy to hear.
A woman I have worked with for the last almost 24 years lost BOTH her parents to covid yesterday (yep, both on the same day!  ) |
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Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 11:33pm |
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Thats great news Joe Keep doing what yer doing and stay safe.
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Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 10:33pm |
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Good for you Joe! Stay safe!
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Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 9:11pm |
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Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 8:50pm |
Hey Klinemar and Mr TBone,,,AND everyone else rooting for me, GOD IS GREAT, GOD IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!! Just received the text from the Dr's at Walgreens and,,,and,,,I AM NEGATIVE for covid!!! Dang, I been beating on myself for the last 3-4 days wonderin where I had maybe picked that chit up since I always wear a CLOTH mask,,don't trust them paper ones. I always drench my hands with that hand sanitizer every time I touch anything besides ole Joe,,,,, I guess I picked up the flu or just a head cold. CHIT, I feel so much better Now,,,,,
If'n I was still a drinkin man,,I'd go get a bottle pf Old Crow and celebrate some,,,,, 
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Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 8:19am |
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Good luck Joe. Whatever it is, don't let it get the best of ya.
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Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 9:24pm |
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Joe,I hope you don't have Covid. Keep us informed.
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Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 8:45pm |
Well, Hopefully by this time tomarrow, I will know if, or what I have picked up. I went to am dear friend's funeral last monday and a couple of days laater,,,I started feeling the symptoms like I always get when I'm coming down with the flu. Scratchy throat, dry cough and mild head ache. My Son bought me some Robitussin DM and has really helped on the throat and cough. Have been checking my temp but always right at 97.5°. Talked with my Brother, the MD in Milwaukee and he agreed with my regimen except he tells me KEEP taking the daily Complex C, Vitamin D3, Calcium & Magnesium, and zinc which I have been since months, and Tylenol for the headache. I 've pretty much stayed in my room as grandson comes over in the PMs and wants to play,,,,,but really feels like the flu,,,,?? Woke up at 1:45 AM and felt real good for first time in over a week,,,,??
I have scheduled a covid test at Walgreens in Roswell tomarrow at 4 pm so should know something by this time tamarrow.
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Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 2:38pm |
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Dan,using your reasoning no one should own a car that can go faster than the speed limit. We would still have people killing one another in cars!
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Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 11:46am |
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The problem with Covid is its a Virus! And it attacks People! And it attacks where you are weakest! What works on one may not work at all on another. I recently had a friend die of Covid. He had been vaccinated and the booster. Dave was overweight and had some heart issues. I currently have Covid. Vaccinated but no booster. I went yesterday for a Monoclonal Antibody Infusion that my Nurse Daughter insisted on because of my age and health issues. I am feeling better. The best that anyone can do is stay away from people as much as possible and try and keep your immune system working! As many in my family will testify Covid hasn't improved my attitude!
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Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 11:02am |
Well, when I need bypass surgery I hope they don't turn me down because I didn't listen to my doctor and eat more lettuce.
I should be fine getting hospital treatment for covid though, as my doctor recommends against me taking the vaccine.
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Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 10:20am |
I have two people in my family that are in direct health care. I have a daughter and my wife that are both R.N.'s. I also have many friends that are involved in direct health care.
My problem is that these people that don't believe in the science and don't get vaccinated, suddenly believe in the science, when they have COVID and they expose health care workers to the virus when they need to be admitted to the hospital.
Both my wife and I have each lost a former co-worker and friend that were dead set against the vaccine. Both were in their 50's. Neither had any known underlying health problems. Both were hospitalized for long periods, before passing away. Both would probably be with us today, if they had been vaccinated.
It's my opinion, that if you are too stubborn to get vaccinated, you should be on your own, if you end up getting COVID. I don't know where we suddenly started listening to non-health care people over the professionals.
Most of you would listen to your veterinarian if they said one of your animals needed some sort of drug or treatment, but doubt what health care professionals are telling you.
It's your choice if you want to not be vaccinated, but I don't think you have the right to expose people in health care from your decision.
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Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 8:44am |
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The problem WF is there were several studies that show various drugs DID WORK on a variety of people.... are you looking for a drug to keep you from getting infected, or are you looking for a drug that minimizes symptoms after you are infected , or are you looking for a drug to help you out after you are in hospital on the ventilator......... several studies, several different outcomes..
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Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 6:49am |
All I can say is wow!!! How do some of these guys function in real life?
I guess I will continue taking my advice from the health care professionals that take care of my personal needs. If I am not going to take their advice, I am wasting their time and mine, along with my money.
These are probably the same people that were preaching Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin, when health care professionals were saying it didn't work.
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